Rape fantasy? Women, men str8t or gay your feelings?

Im amazed at some members insensitivity towards sexual abuse. Many members on here have been abused. Rape isnt hot. Real or not. This is the kind of shit thats makes me want to pack up leave here.

I guess our male darker side is too scary for some.

Now to contrast what I occasionally think inside and what is really important, not sure if any here remember but a young girl was gunned down in her classroom, Emily Keyes and there were those Amish girls gunned down in their classroom a few days later. The hatred I feel for men who commit violence vs. women is unending.

Nothing on earth saddened me more. If I could wave a wand and remove guns and violence from the earth at the expense of my life I would. I could easily pull the switch on an convicted rapist with out a blink.

I am also not going to curry favor from the ladies here like some men do with some representation that isn't true.

And Chrysalis the heat in the scene is not supplied by the brutality of the rape, thats unrelentingly ugly, its the TRANSFORMATION of this young wife from her mask of properness to my imagining of her as this slut (or whatever word works for you, if any) for a huge powerful cock. When she reaches up and pulls him to her and and begins to fuck him back thats erotic, IMO.

[quote]Are you sure you should speak for all men?
I'm curious. Why are you asking for other women's opinions (as well as others) about this subject? If you really don't want to know...don't ask. It's a controversial subject and you obviously knew it when you posted this thread.
There's a contractor I work with on a semi-regular basis who's been hitting on me relentlessly all year. He's rich, good-looking, educated...all the things women often seek in men. Problem is he's an arrogant prick. I've often thought he needs to be put in his place and so far i've done just that by brushing aside his overtures. Here's my question to you: What do you think he'd say if I had this fantasy of bending him over, binding him so that he's helpless, strapping on a 9" dildo and ramming it up his ass? You know, just to put him in his place? Or a better question: Does the thought of that turn you on? I'm guessing no, but you never know....

And no, that's not a fantasy of mine. I'd clearly be violating him, something I would never do to anyone. So what's the dividing line between rape and violation? Judging from your above description, you've basically turned that particular scenario into a sub/dom scene which is different from rape. Do you think my initial attempt to violate him would suddenly transform him and he'd go with the flow and turn it into a sexual act? What would you do?

"Our"? I think not. YOURS, maybe, but not ours.

And here I thought we were talking about a popular FEmale fantasy?

I thought not.

No, I think being yourself is best. When your true colors show, people can see you as you truly are.

Which leads us to:

Finally, you admit it: you find rape erotic.

I'll let the women take care of it from here.

Wow,

Wyld this thread is double edged. I have heard many women say they like the idea of the man being more aggressive in their encounters and even use the term rape, But as many here can attest the reality is anything but erotic. I think a good point was made clarifying the differences between dominance and submission and rape fantasy vs sexual assault. Unfortunately, I think for some individuals who have been used to playing rough games in one context, with someone else for whom no really means no things can go down hill very quickly. The scary thing is that there are many people who dont seem to be able to differentiate the two. They have been so calloused by coy bedroom games that their boundaries have been breached and they in turn breach the boundaries of others to tragic ends...

This type of thinking has also given way to common jokes such as "No! Dont! Stop! NO DONT STOP", I have heard men then apply this when someone is brave enough to come forward admitting to being raped... NOT FUNNY

[quote=mercurialbliss;659519]a)No I don't think I speak for all men. However I can tell if you had a hidden mike, you might hear some things that weren't our best.

b)Currying favor to me means parroting back opinions that women want to hear as if it may gain them an internet friend. I invite your comments as long as they are what you feel, they express a part of you.

c) I gotta copy this paragraph again, its that interesting MB

>>>Problem is he's an arrogant prick. I've often thought he needs to be put in his place and so far i've done just that by brushing aside his overtures. Here's my question to you: What do you think he'd say if I had this fantasy of bending him over, binding him so that he's helpless, strapping on a 9" dildo and ramming it up his ass? You know, just to put him in his place? Or a better question: Does the thought of that turn you on? I'm guessing no, but you never know....<<<

MB, Have you seen some of the fantasies posted on the womens forum? They speak to this directly and for some this is a huge turn on both for women and men. Not at all my cup of tea, glad to say. I am quite vanilla, sadly I guess. And your choice of a 9 inch dildo is really interesting choosing SIZE as the paramount description of your weapon. Nice on a big cock site.

Finally to duplicate the scene in the movie what if this oafish cad pestering you begin to rock back into your invading dildo, reaching back and grabbing your hand and forcing the dildo ever deeper, just as the wife did in the clip? I would like to see your face. I am serious what would you do then?

[quote][quote=Wyldgusechaz;659544]I've no doubt about that.
Somehow i'm not surprised to learn it's not your cup of tea. I'm quite familiar with many of the fantasies posted on the women's forum. But that's what they are...fantasies. If you read through the stories, the women and/or men still feel as though they have at least a certain amount of control in a situation.. What you've described is a scenario where one is essentially robbing the other of any control and forcing themselves on them against their will. That's violating someone. If you and a partner have worked out the details beforehand, that's obviously different.
He couldn't reach back and grab my hand because as I mentioned before, he is bound and can't move. He wouldn't feel as threatened if he was free and could reach back and grab my hand. If a man who is larger than me feels he has enough control of the situation that he can turn the tables on me at any moment, he knows he is in no danger of actually being violated. But if he's bound by force without his consent and is helpless while I fuck him with a strap-on, he's going to feel violated. That's the difference and I think you're missing my point. BTW, you never answered my question, so i'll ask again. What would you do?

I have a rich fantasy life and love to do things with my partners that require trust, such as being blindfolded, among other scenarios. I love the feeling of not knowing what's going to happen next. But again, I only do that with those whom I trust. I love the thrill of the unknown but I still need to feel safe. As do most people.

I am not sure you even watched the clips in question as your example in no way resembles the movie. She wasn't trussed and bound. She had some degree of freedom and although at first she was fighting him off, her body betrayed her civilty and she started fucking him back.

Quote MB "What would you do?"

Damn this is a very good question. I dismissed it b/4 but now I am thinking about it. I applaud it. Because I just don't know. I would certainly be afraid to explore it. What if it happened I found out I liked it? What if I am missing that? I am being as honest as I can. I assume I would be appalled and horrified. But you never know. To dismiss out of hand doesn't do the question justice. A very very slippery slope.

[quote]I tried to watch them but the clips won't open when I click on them. But if even if she did have some degree of freedom and he's probably twice her size, she knows that he can overpower her and so does he. That's probably the actual turn on for you that scares so many women (or men, if the situation warrants)

Keep thinking about it. Once upon a time when I was younger, I used to daydream every now and then about a strange man who would take me and have rough sex with me. It's just a fantasy, right? A few years go by and I have several experiences that stopped that fantasy in its tracks. While living in Chicago, one day a man grabbed me by the arm and tried to wrestle me into a nearby alley. I managed to get away but not without feeling as though I had narrowly escaped rape, brutality, and possible death. Four years later, a drug addict broke into my house while I was asleep and I awoke to the sound of him creeping around my house. I was left unscathed in both instances and I am grateful to this day. Those incidents stifled any further fantasies of having rough with unknown strangers. I'm sure you can figure out why.

Not really fair since we may be talking about differing visions.


http://www.celeb-vids.com/sex/susan-...movies/movies/

http://www.celeb-vids.com/sex/susan-...es/index2.html

Here are the clips. Can you cut and paste or what to see. I want your feeling if you can.

Sorry you had to endure that type of fear. I would guess it could color your thoughts so much on this.

To change the direction of the this thread, damn I am starving and I miss a authentic Chicago deep dish from Due or Uno. Yummy.

[quote]I still can't access the site. I'm using MF and tried opening it in IE but no dice.

What's sobering is that this happens to the majority of women and this is certainly nothing unusual if one out of every four of us have been sexually assaulted.

I read this entire thread to my husband a while ago. Interestingly enough, he agreed with what Mason says here -- that for some inexplicable reason, he does experience this reaction to some women, and he believes it's pretty common.

But I know for a fact my husband wouldn't hurt anyone, so the mere existence of these feelings doesn't scare me so much, now. What matters is the way a man responds. Some men are turned on by these thoughts and feed them, while others simply acknowledge them and then let them go.

What is elucidated here is that to WGC, the "transformation" of the woman is erotic. And I respect him for clarifying that it is his opinion.

It's not erotic to me, though. I find the act of rape to be so reprehensible that in my point of view, the entire premise of this "transformation" is a grave insult to rape victims. The idea that a true rape victim could transform into a willing participant is abhorrent to me and, apparently, to others as well.

I quoted this post because it describes the crux of the conflict in this thread -- the difference between fantasy and reality. WGC, I believe you would never actually rape a woman. But, the real question is:

Are you aroused by the idea of true rape, or are you aroused by the idea of dominance, or consensual "play-rape"?

There is a world of difference between these two things. I think the way you've presented your views gives the impression that you find true rape or the cinematic representation thereof to be arousing, even if you would never do it in real life. And not only do you find it arousing, but some part of you believes that the kind of "transformation" you describe is possible (at least in fantasy), and likes that idea as well.

If that is really what turns you on, then your fantasies are your prerogative. But understand that most of us don't share those desires.

Okay. First of all WGC, in honing in on the size of the dildo, you are completely missing MB's point. I am certain her choice of size was solely a method of illustrating the severity of this hypothetical violation.

And you're again missing the point when you ask MB what she'd do if the guy "transformed" into a willing participant? She'd be nauseated, not aroused.(Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Mercurial). Disgust would be my reaction as well.

And, yet again, you're missing the point when you reference the fantasy forum. The issue here is not whether a man is being fucked with a 9 inch dildo and loving it, or whether that idea turns anyone on.

The issue is whether or not people are aroused by the idea of non-consensual violation.

She didn't ask you what she would feel, and she didn't ask you what people fantasize about in a play-world.

She asked you what you would do if someone bent you over and fucked you in the ass because they didn't like your behavior and wanted to teach you a lesson. I suspect you would not "transform" into a willing participant, and you would be disgusted if someone was aroused by that image.

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Now, if you truly are just into playacting, domination and submission, etc. and not true rape fantasies, then no harm, no foul. I'm into domination and submission, myself.

But the words and images you have chosen point to something that is not a game.

Although I do fantasize about being dominated, I, personally, cannot be aroused by the rape-transformation scenario you described. You lose me at rape.

If my thought dreams could be seen
they'd probably put my head in a guillotine
It's all right Ma,
It's life and life only!

I do understand what MB was getting at I was just framing it in another way.

I appreciate all your input and I must say its been enlightening for me. This horse has been beat to death, no actually beat beyond death to bloody minutia.

FYI I am so vanilla I don't get the dom/sub interplay. I like equality in all things.

Hey its nearly Christmas and tonight is party time. I got mistletoe and I will be looking for a kiss. And can you imagine how dreadful it might be to fuck a boring pedantic like me?

Lets see if we can't get back to what this forum excels at, guys posting pics of their dicks and fishing for praise. And I say that in honesty as I type here. If their insecurities can be assuaged , thats a good thing.

Stay safe and hope for peace and justice. WGC

Funny, the part I feel bad about is the fantasy of taking another man's wife or the idea of fucking some woman into straight thinking. The latter has never occured to me. While the former is probably just coveting by me.

That said. I feel I could use the clips for a hoaky dialog to view as a role playing tool for someone interested in it who may lack imagination.

Not to say it shouldn't work for guse and a woman who would be of like mind. <shrugs>