rainfletcher: Val,

I agree with you completely. When I was growing up in those youth groups (only went for the girls, was never interested in the religion ;D), they talked about this alot. The rule of thumb was - only do stuff you'd be comfortable doing if your parents were in the room! If you'd feel uncomfortable with your parents in the room, then it's wrong. I didn't agree (and still don't), but at least it's consistent, right?