wvalady1968: [quote author=9cyclops9 link=board=women;num=1064768529;start=40#42 date=10/09/03 at 14:29:28]

It's all or none at all as far as I'm concerned. John[/quote]

John, I don't really think V al was responding to just you. In fact, the one quote from your response [above] is what I think she was saying.

So many people seem to have the Clintonesque mindset that anything EXCEPT vaginal penetration is okay, since only THAT qualifies as sex.

I think Val's point was to either save yourself for someone special or have a completely sexual, but HONEST, relationship with someone you're attracted to. I agree.