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Caneadea's open ended neutral advice about street chem and poppers usage isn't responsible enough. Caneadea felt that I was preachy. But, you know me I am going to cover the bases. My position is this: What if someone like a teen reading his post that was considering doing street chems and poppers? (Caneadea's says: Oh, it's your life, it's your health. Do what you want.) The kid goes and does it. Something happens to that kid like he/she gets hurt doing some street chem or inhaling poppers. The kid says to his guardians. Oh I read on LPSG.org that it was okay to do street chems and poppers. He isn't going to say Invisibleman gave him/her the Okay. He/She is going to say Caneadea said (Oh it's your life. It's your health, kid--Do what you want.) What if that was your kid? Someone you actually loved?
There are alternatives to doing street chems and poppers. What I wrote wasn't bad at all. I wouldn't want nobody influencing my kid or someone I loved into street chem and poppers because of some neutrality in a guy's post.
I know you are going to side with Caneadea. That's fine. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. I don't do personal ads either. I don't need drugs to "enhance" my love life. I don't do personal ads. I go out and meet men naturally. I go to the men. Madame Z--I stand firm by my position. I am not here to make enemies. I am free to express my feelings. I am free to my opinions. Caneadea and I just agree to disgree with each other on this issue of street chems and popper usage, that's all. Just read the thread again from beginning to end. Truth is a multi-faceted diamond. I don't have any ill intentions.

sounds like a lot of people have been burned by the personal ads on Criag's List...what a crock of nonsense those are but good for a laugh.

and is not sermonizing. PNP and the other drugs are simply bad news for your overall general health and your penis. I agree with him and thank him for saying the truth.

The healthy penis does not need , nor benefits from, anything that contaminates or interferes with blood flow to it. Fortunately, neither viagra nor cialis does either,according to recent studies (not my personal experience).

The best personal add abbreviation? easy. 50/50 rship.

Invisibleman, I HAVE raised a child, have you? I don't disagree with your opinion as it turns out, that those drugs are dangerous, just the methodology of presenting it. In this and all things I felt much more notice would be taken if I presented information, gave my opinion, and encouraged her to think for herself. No one can possibly be responsible for what any of the opinions or information we post here will be used for by the countless faceless readers, but ultimately it is still their parent's responisbility, not ours.

This is not an indictment, but your view, as presented, sounded like a lot of the "just say no" campaign that I find a lot of people turn a deaf ear to. In matters of sex and drugs, kids aren't as dumb as they seem. They want their minds to be respected and their abilities of discernment to be challenged. No one's going to "just not do it" because someone said so, but they might think twice if a reasonable and level headed voice says make up your own mind, but this is something worth considering.

Just my opinion, but it worked well in my house.

My parents presented the information in that way MZ, and it worked for me. I made the choice to not experiment with drugs, I used condoms when I had sex, respected the women with whom I slept, and I never did anything that could ge me locked up. Good show.

Madame Z--

I know alot of people aren't going to listen. Kids sometimes don't listen because they like to find out things for themselves. Being the age of enlightenment and immortality, Kids get enamored with a lot of things. I was like that when I was a kid, teen, and I am still like that sometimes as an adult. :) Some adults love their highs as well. Mine is Starbucks!!! (Vanilla Bean Frappachino and the Green Tea Latte, yummm!).

Luckily, I never was a street chem kind of person. Double lucky that I was never a smoker (and I live in the Tobacco state!). I have worked in a few nightclubs (and a few raves!!!!) where both were engaged and entertained. During that time, I have met a lot of people who use street chems and/or poppers. A lot of what I've said in my first post on this thread came from my interaction with some of these guys and gals (which may seem generalized because I didn't give names [to protect their identity!!!]). I just put it (my experience) on out there--hoping that no one considers that as an alternative. Inhalants and street chems are dangerous. I didn't want to glamorize.

I agree with what you said about we aren't responsible for kids or children that happen to read what is on here. I do think that is a responsibilty of the parents. I think that we should give the best advice and answers on LPSG to people with honest, sincere questions.

Yeah, I remember being a kid, I thought all adults were idiots and didn't know how to have fun. I thought their only purpose in life was to make me miserable, so I didn't listen to much of what I was told. So now I take a different approach. I feel that if I preach, I'll lose my audience and my credibility, but if I just talk to then like normal human beings, they'll participate in the conversations. Little words like "What do YOU think?" help a lot with young people (or anyone, for that matter), whereas barraging them over the head is more likely to make them ignore you and think you're just another stupid adult.

People have to know how much you care before they care how much you know, you know?

edit- The most important thing (for parents) is to leave the door open for if they DO choose something you'd prefer they didn't. The last thing in the world you want is for your kids to fear talking to you about an experience they've had with drugs for fear of being punsihed. What a stupid corner we back our kids into. What they glean from this is that they're unlovable because they made a mistake. That's when they really need the calm, reasonable advice of an adult who can ask, "Now that you've tried it, how do you feel?" and REALLY listen to what they say. Same with sex, if they have to hide from you, you both lose, your relationship loses.
Remember all the weird information out there and their friends are probably the only ones they're talking to. If you want to have some input in their lives you have to BE the adult, not the loudest screamer. Your kids will love you for putting your ego aside and trying.

Madame Z--

That's cool advice there. I never woulda known.

Hello, Caneadea--

Hey, I wanted to apologize to you however you may have felt about what I have written in this thread, "Personal Add Abbreviations". I know I probably did come across to you in your eyes as preachy. Like I have said before, I am not your enemy. I just wanted offer some advice to Reg. Guy (and maybe I didn't present it in the right way to you and others.) Whether you do or don't use street chems and/or poppers: Doesn't really matter to me. It is neither my business nor my concern.
Like I've always said that truth is like a multifaceted diamond. I can see truth from other people's eyes. Anyways, I am sorry if I made you feel bad in the whole process. Again, I am not an enemy here. I guess the passion and my enthusiasm had gotten the better of me.

Take it easy and Happy New Year!
Invisibleman

Wow. This is a great sentence to remember. Seriously. It applies to so many things in life. Thanks madame_zora.

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I have to say that I am shocked. Really.
I was scrolling through this thread, looking for something, when I accidently noticed your post.

Madame_Zora is a Prize. Somehow, she is able to keep a cool head and calmly offer her intelligent and common sense opinions. This is something that I try to do. But, I obviously have a lot to learn.

I am extremely impressed with anyone who is man enough to offer an apology. It speaks volumes about the character of a person.

Thank you Madame_Zora.
Thank you Invisibleman.

All right, can we all group hug now? You know I love you guys.

SexyCobra, I heard that line in a sales seminar, it's been a keeper for me too.

Dude, you don't know Madame that well, do you? She is definitely intelligent, and has common-sense opinions, but "cool head" and "calm?" Occasionally. She has her moments with her rants. Any comments before I tickle your nips, Madame?

NO NIPPLE CLAMPS!

Me? Rant? Surely you jest!

See, and I love it when MZ freaking LOSES IT! It's always entertaining watching her bitchslap someone.

Ahhh, I came in on this late but personals...yeah, I did that. I mostly had good experiences. If you have good instincts and can cut though people's bullshit, it can be great. Don't go looking for a husband in the personals though. No matter what they say, most are looking to get laid. If they like you, they'll tell you what you want to hear to make it happen.

The whole PnP and BB movement seems to have happened very recently and makes me sad. To each his own, I'd sure hate to be told how to live and how to fuck.