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By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer 17 minutes ago VATICAN CITY - The Vatican published its long-awaited document on gays in the clergy Tuesday, saying men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies should not be ordained but

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Old 11-29-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Vatican Publishes Views on Gay Priests

By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer 17 minutes ago

VATICAN CITY - The Vatican published its long-awaited document on gays in the clergy Tuesday, saying men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies should not be ordained but those with a "transitory problem" could be if they had overcome them for three years.

The official release of the "Instruction" from the Congregation for Catholic Education came a week after an Italian Catholic news agency posted a leaked copy on its Web site. As a result, the document's contents were already known.

Reaction has been mixed, with conservatives saying it may help reverse the "gay culture" that has grown in many U.S. seminaries. Liberal critics have complained that the restrictions will create morale problems among existing priests and lead to an even greater priest shortage in the United States.

Some observers also have raised questions about exactly what the document means by a "deep-seated homosexual tendency," since a definition isn't provided.

The head of the education congregation defended the document as a clear reflection of church teaching, saying "in this field, in today's world, there is some confusion."

"Many defend the position according to which the homosexual condition is a normal condition for the human being, as if it were nearly a third gender," Cardinal Zenon Grocholewski told Vatican Radio.

He also made clear the Instruction is intended for candidates for the priesthood and not someone who "discovers his homosexuality after having been ordained."

The cardinal said such a priest "has to try to live in chastity ... maybe he will need more spirtual support than others, but I think he should be a priest in the best way possible."

The Rev. Timothy Radcliff, former superior of the Dominican order, wrote in the British Catholic weekly the Tablet that the phrase could be interpreted as concerning men with a "permanent homosexual orientation."

"But this cannot be correct since, as I have said, there are many excellent priests who are gay and who clearly have a vocation from God."

"Having worked with bishops and priests, diocesan and religious, all over the world, I have no doubt that God does call homosexuals to the priesthood, and they are among the most dedicated and impressive priests I have met," he wrote.

Pope Benedict XVI approved the "Instruction" on Aug. 31 and ordered it published — one of the first major documents he has approved for release since being elected pope April 19.

The document has been years in the works, but its existence came to light in 2002 at the height of the clergy sex abuse scandal in the United States. A study commissioned by U.S. bishops found that most abuse victims since 1950 were adolescent boys.

Experts on sex offenders say homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to molest young people, but that did not stifle questions about gay seminarians.

The document restates church teaching that deep-seated homosexual tendencies are "objectively disordered" but that gays should be treated with respect and shouldn't be discriminated against.

"In light of such teaching ... the church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question, cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practice homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called 'gay culture,'" it says.

Such men can't be priests because they are in a situation that "gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women," it says.

But it distinguishes such men from others with homosexual tendencies "that were only the expression of a transitory problem — for example, that of an adolescence not yet superseded."

"Nevertheless, such tendencies must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate," it says.

The document is short — nine pages including the title page and footnotes that make up the bulk of the text.

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Old 11-29-2005   #2 (permalink)
Lex
Lex is offline

I can not beleive that people still confuse and equate pedophilia with homosexuality. and "transitory problem" my ass. Get a clue.
 
Old 11-29-2005   #3 (permalink)
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Apologies for not reading the whole article, but everyone knows the Catholic church is the worst place in the world for hipocratic, homosexuals!
If all the gay priests came out at once, you'd see a pretty different stance from the vatican!

Grow some nuts priests!
 
Old 11-29-2005   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by HappyHammer1977
everyone knows the Catholic church is the worst place in the world for hipocratic, homosexuals!
well, that and the republican party
 
Old 11-29-2005   #5 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by HappyHammer1977
everyone knows the Catholic church is the worst place in the world for hipocratic, homosexuals!
Queer doctors?
 
Old 11-29-2005   #6 (permalink)
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Queer doctors?
First, harm no altar-boy... don't use your teeth when you suck his cock.
 
Old 11-29-2005   #7 (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pecker
Queer doctors?
um
he's just poking fun at the misuse of hipocritical and the hippocratic oath


Quote:
Originally Posted by DC_DEEP
First, harm no altar-boy... don't use your teeth when you suck his cock.
he/he

you do know a lot of altar servers are girls now
 
Old 11-29-2005   #8 (permalink)
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I've known good and bad men who are Roman Catholic priests. Some gay, some heterosexual, some apparently asexual, and some who are known to be paedophiles. Many are alcoholics, living as lonely hipocrites. A very few seem genuinely gifted with leadership ability and compassion.

The real question is why this organization just doesn't understand that they are so fucked up. Why are women not valued enough to be pastors? What about celibacy?

The protection racket for known offenders is just so appalling, shuffling predators to other unsuspecting parishes. Secret hush payments to victims.

This obvious PR approach of blaming homosexuals in the seminaries and rooting them out is wrong and gets nowhere to the root of the malignancy. Paedophiles are hetero as well as homosexual in their orientation. Arrested character development, well hidden sociopathic attitudes, and those candidates who themselves experienced a history of early sexualization (or abuse) might be more relevant.
 
Old 11-29-2005   #9 (permalink)
Matthew is offline

It's hysterical watching them do this little dance. I can't decide which is funnier - the part about how it's okay if you were drunk, a teenager or in jail ; or the part where you're OK once you're 3 years "clean." I want to know if I will qualify if I fail to get laid for 3 years in a row.
 
Old 11-29-2005   #10 (permalink)
rawbone8 is offline

:D hah... like being a wash'n'wear virgin
 
Old 11-30-2005   #11 (permalink)
DC_DEEP is offline
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Originally Posted by rawbone8
you do know a lot of altar servers are girls now
Well, yes, I do know that... but they aren't as much fun to suck in the sacristy.
 
Old 11-30-2005   #12 (permalink)
madame_zora is offline

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Originally Posted by DC_DEEP
Well, yes, I do know that... but they aren't as much fun to suck in the sacristy.
Thanks, you just killed me!
 
Old 11-30-2005   #13 (permalink)
KinkGuy is offline

Come on you people. YOU ALL KNOW that queers are the root of all evil.
 
Old 11-30-2005   #14 (permalink)
rawbone8 is offline

and I thought queers were the new black? or is that beige?
 
Old 11-30-2005   #15 (permalink)
KinkGuy is offline

I was gay before it was popular. The underground was wwaaaayyyyy more fun.
 

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