Well lookee what the Catholics are doin' now

Thats simplistic rubbish, I believe in all aspects to do with such things as the Virgin, the Saints and the after world etc, what I do disagree with is some of the stuff which is modern and in relation to certain issues handed down by the Vactican which is policy that can change, not dogma, which if you ask DoubleMeatWhopper I'm sure he can confirm.

Its easy to walk away and do nothing in life, I have no need to defend my faith or who I am, I am not anti-gay, and I refuse to be labeled as one because this is a issue which the Church as a insitution is still to catch up on, and as with many religions, not just Christianity, will take time too.

If everyone had the idea just to walk away from everything then what sort of world would we live in ? and its bad enough already.

As I said earlier I dont object to anything in this thread, I agree with most of it, but I didn't like the title, I dont think "look what gays are doing now", or "look what protestants are doing now" would have been acceptable, thats all, I just felt we'd have a better debate if a Catholics back wasn't put up the second he read the title, even if he agreed with the content of the thread.

We each try to make a positive difference in our own way, just because mine is different from yours, doesn't make it any less valid.

Anyway, take it easy and take care, at least I can say I've posted here a couple of times now, lol

I agree, but he doesn't think that his reign will be long-lived anyway. He is not prepared to bring about any real reform in the Church because he sees his time as a sort of interim Papacy. I was actually hoping that Francis Cardinal Arinze from Nigeria would be elected. I'm hoping that the next conclave will bring forth a more user-friendly Pontiff.
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I was hoping for Cardinal Sin of Malaysia to win the Papacy.

I was hoping for Cardinal Sin of Malaysia to win the Papacy.
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Hello,

Cardinal Jaime Sin ? Its a shame he died, did alot for his people, even after he had to retired, one of those people with a presence that could get things done, from reading about him.

I think he was from the Philippines though.

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No one who saw themselves as a long term Pope wanted to follow JPII and the laugh was the present Pope was supposed to be ill at thought he'd end up with it.

The way it got described to me was ; you know when you get a really successful coach of a sports team, and no one wants to follow him directly because they know he wont get to do much, they all want it the second time around. thats what this was.

then don't associate yourself with a political body whose policies you don't agree with! that's not an issue of simplicity vs complexity; it's just basic common sense.

a far more agreeable and far less annoying one.

Thats the stupidest comment I've heard from you yet, and thats really saying alot.

then don't associate yourself with a political body whose policies you don't agree with! that's not an issue of simplicity vs complexity; it's just basic common sense.

a far more agreeable and far less annoying one.
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I don't associate myself with the politics of the church at all if I as an individual take a stand and say they are wrong. you see the problem lies in this simple fact, it is they in their policy who is anti catholic, its not that I'm getting it wrong.

Catholism teachs to hate the sin but to love the sinner, now they by doing this are anti catholic because if a priest is celabate, how can he sin ?

his sexual preference if he wasn't a Priest isn't a issue, after all they ask Gay men not to have sex now and its okay, so its they who are making an arse of themselves and to an extent non Catholics who do not realise what they are telling them is not the teachings of the Church but the opinion of certain people in Rome.

So your point to walk away is wrong, I will continue to tell them they are not following the teachings the say they guard.

If normal working class Catholics don't, thats how you get a Church that will never evolve.

I also don't need a lesson in politics, I come from a family that isn't right wing in the American or European sense, unlike here, you can be left wing and a Catholic.

Also if everyone walks away you get a New Orleans, people can never take enough responsability for good or for helping others, instead of leaving them to die or feel removed from society.

Exactly so. Just as one can be a patriotic American without getting caught up in politics, one can be a devout Catholic without getting caught up in the Church's politics. And as far as that goes, the politics of the modern Catholic Church is not the web of mediaeval intrigue that people infer from watching period movies. Dr. Rock and warmsunshine have demonstrated time and again that they know nothing about the workings of the Catholic Church and nothing about her dogmata and doctrines, so take their criticisms against that which they don't understand for what they're worth. The Church is an institution which will long outlive their grumbling condemnations. I have no intentions of walking away from a spiritual organisation that's been good to me. I concentrate on the good and do what I can to challenge the bad.

Guess you guys didn't pick up on the humor of a dude named Cardinal Sin becomming Pope. In all honestly, I'd have loved a Middle Eastern or African Pope.

ah okay, was just there was a real one who only died last year. who lead peaceful revolution in his country etc.

thanks! it matters! go drink meth and piss on a bonfire!

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Originally posted by Michael18m@Sep 17 2005, 08:18 PM what they are telling them is not the teachings of the Church but the opinion of certain people in Rome.

... who happen to be responsible for the teachings of the church. if you don't believe the vatican runs the catholic church, who do you think IS running it? god? :eyes:

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... and as I've stated time and again, I don't NEED to. I know enough from where I AM standing to realize that nothing I DON'T know about the church could mitigate or excuse it.

oh, now that's an unfeasibly absolute statement to make. you know what they say about tempting fate ;)

... who happen to be responsible for the teachings of the church. if you don't believe the vatican runs the catholic church, who do you think IS running it? god? :eyes:

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Your obviously only reading what you want, the catholic teachings on this is clear, its their interpretation that is wrong, now the people who are putting these measures into places did not come up with these laws considering much of it was done in 1969 and their only 2 cardinals jpii didn't appoint.

So I'll say it yet again, what they are wanting to do does not tie in with what Catholics are taught in regards to homosexuality, just because a cardinal writes a paper or offers a opinion it does not make it part of the "laws" of the Catholic church.

You said you dont need to know, when you obviously do when you have commented on a thread were 2 practicing catholics can tell you this new policy is out of line with teachings of the church, its just starting to make you look a bit daft when your just coming across as a bigot to be honest we has his own agenda.

of course I have my "own agenda"; everyone does. and I make no secret or denial about the fact that I have no comprehension or understanding of organized religion or why anyone would ever want to subscribe to one. I just can't see in this instance what makes one pope or cardinal any more or less valid in their "interpretation" of the church's tenets than the next one. it seems to me that people who identify as catholics but dissent from the policies of their own supposed leaders are just trying to have the whole thing both ways.

Any organization will have corruption. The difficulty is that the Vatican hasn't realized just how to sniff out pedophiles.

One important reason this tactic won't work is, heterosexuals are more likely to molest children of either sex. Pedophiles who prefer boys over girls are usually only attracted to children, and usually only boys at that.

Heterosexual pedophiles also target younger children, which is probably worse on the kids.

... and as I've stated time and again, I don't NEED to. I know enough from where I AM standing to realize that nothing I DON'T know about the church could mitigate or excuse it.
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"I don't like it! It's not good! I don't know anything about what it is or what it does or why, but I know it's bad so I don't like it!"

It's kind of hard to claim you don't like the taste of something you've never even sampled.

the reason I don't like it is because it's only too obvious what it is, what it does, and why. :eyes: