09-16-2005
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#31 (permalink)
| | | Quote: Originally posted by SUMYUNGUY@Sep 15 2005, 06:56 AM Clinton wasn't impeeched for getting a blowjob, he was impeeched for lying about it under oath. | Fair enough. True. But if you are going to correct the previous post, why not go ahead and correct the "bush" part of the post? He has consistently lied about everything since his first term. He has yet to tell the American people what the so-called "Patriot Act" is all about, and most of them won't bother to read the text of the law. He lied about every aspect of the US involvement in Afghanistan and especially in Iraq. Why oh why won't someone put him under oath, and get just one more lie out of him, so HE can be impeached? | | | |
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09-16-2005
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#32 (permalink)
| | | Quote: Originally posted by DC_DEEP@Sep 16 2005, 12:20 PM Why oh why won't someone put him under oath, and get just one more lie out of him, so HE can be impeached? | Two words: Republican Congress.
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09-16-2005
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#33 (permalink)
| | | got another two for ya: "water" and "gate."
hell, here's two more for the road: "iran" and "contra."
the rape-a-pelican party has learned the hard way to avoid being cornered by the truth at all costs. | | | |
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09-16-2005
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#34 (permalink)
| | | Quote: Originally posted by madame_zora@Sep 15 2005, 04:25 AM BnD, thanks for scaring the shit out of me! That is probably exactly what will happen, another excuse to waste more money instead of run things more efficiently. The poll Mark posted lent a better insight to me as to what a conservative stands for- bush is CLEARLY not that! Conservatives, while supporting less personal freedom (ugh!) are supposed to stand for LESS government- our bureaucrasy is at an all-time high, I wonder why more people aren't upset? | Zora,
Unfortunately, many Republicans have abandoned their core beliefs and now feel the way to stay in power is to outspend Democrats when it comes to all things governmental. Many Democrats believe the way to solve all problems is to raise all taxes in all areas and throw that into more & new social spending. Neither wants to truly cut spending, because who is going to go first? Who is willing to offend their base first?
Consider: What if your senators from Ohio or your district's US representative had the opportunity to bring a big pork-barrel spending project home that would result in a large number of jobs, both temporary and permanent? Everyone else in 49 states might see the price tag (few billion dollars let's say) and consider that wasteful spending. The people of your area consider it an investment. It would be the same situation if you changed the state name from Ohio to Missouri. Until we as voters decide to reward politicans for doing what is right for the country as a whole versus just being good at bringing home the bacon, nobody has a right to expect things to change.
We have a massive federal bureaucracy in charge of our safety and while things MIGHT be a bit safer than they were on 9/10/01, we're faaaar from where we need to be. Pick your area, pick your pork...there are lots of both to argue/worry about. | | | |
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09-16-2005
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#35 (permalink)
| | | My argument is really quite simple- we are NOT safer after all the spending and "war". We are in fact not even IN a war, we are acting as police in Iraq, which our military was never set up to be. The vast majority of the dollars have been misspent on bureaucracy and the lives lost have brought us no closer to any goal, because there isn't one. There are only masks and decepetion, we are weaker than we have been in my lifetime. It is impossible for me to say these things without appearing to be republican bashing, because that is what the very clever spin doctors have proclaimed to be true- it is not true. To call a pot black is only that, I don't care what brand of pot it is.
Whatever disagreements I can make about Reagan's time in office, and there are a few, I will say that we were safer on the homefront because other nations feared us and respected us. Now there are few who fear us and almost none who respect us, and for good cause. The idiot even had the immense stupidity to announce on tv that we are very weak and could likely not withstand another attack either from terror or nature, thanks, leader! Why not just invite any disgruntled party to bomb us now? I felt like he had just "de-pantsed" us and left our shit hanging in the breeze.
My complaint is not again the doctrines of classical Republicans, it is against the stupidity of people who just believe that anyone who calls themself a Republican is worth merit. The same is true for Christianity at this time, not everyone who uses the name of God is holy, and blasphemy is worse than apathy. If you really love your cause, then support it- that means TAKE RESPONIBIBLITY for weeding out the crap so that your cause does not become wholly corrupt. I feel that this administration is the most corrupt thing I've witnessed, and I remember Nixon. | | | |
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09-16-2005
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#36 (permalink)
| | | The entire situation, the course of this country and our impending bankruptcy really isn't about politics. They just used the party and politics to gain power and unbelievable, beyond comprehension personal and corporate wealth for a very few. Who obviously financed the entire operation of control, deceit and destruction for money. | | | |
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09-16-2005
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#37 (permalink)
| | | Don't you know? FEMA expected everyone to just load up in their SUVs.
Nagin was culpable too. He honestly thought a government which could send millions of people to Iraq within 24 hours for greed purposes might possibly respond to problems at home in 72 hours. | | | |
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09-17-2005
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#38 (permalink)
| | | And given Nagin's age, he grew up on shows like "Diff'rent Strokes," "Webster," and "Gimme a Break." And if you watched those shows, you just know that rich and/or powerful/ employed and generous white men are just WAITING to swoop in and help the poor and disenfranchised Black folk of America. Silly him. | | | |
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09-17-2005
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#39 (permalink)
| | | You're such a great "victim" posterboy, Lex. | | | |
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09-17-2005
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#40 (permalink)
| | | Quote: Originally posted by SUMYUNGUY You're such a great "victim" posterboy, Lex. | Yeah, a lot of people are reaching here with the race issues. | | | |
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09-17-2005
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#41 (permalink)
| | | I know from talking to my cousins back home that the way its being reported in Europe is that Bush the halfwit has yet again made a mess of things, and havent really mentioned him saying sorry, and are laughing about him heading up the investigation.
Its also fair to see looking at the BBC etc its easy to see that it being reported as a race issue in europe as well as America having no interest in the poor in society.
thought it might interest some of you to know what the view outside North America is :happy: | | | |
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09-17-2005
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#42 (permalink)
| | | I'm so sick of this fucking administration I could scream. I'm actually so mad that I have been motivated to go to Washington DC and join the demonstrations at the end of the month. This madness has to stop. I have so many friends that are conservative Republicans that still dig him and I just don't get it.
They have become so bold they are just rubbing it in our faces now. | | | |
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09-17-2005
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#43 (permalink)
| | | Wow. I made a joke based on 80s TV programming (which has been analyzed to DEATH on college and univeristy campuses across the country). ZOOM.
Dr. Dilznick--it always seems as if you have an opinion, yet rarely do you add more than a line here of there. What gives?
SUMYUNGUY--please take some time to try know me before you make such ignorant, off-base remarks about me. I am no victim, nor do I claim to be. I said earlier (if you bothered to read that) that this was largely a CLASS issue. I have repeated that OVER AND OVER.I said that ALL the political leaders were at fault (Mayor, Governor, President, etc). Read, will you?
I'm the poster boy for a lot of things. Victims, however, is not one of them. Trust me. Unless of course, advocating for the impoverished (regardless of race), minority, disenfranchised and those discriminated against (women, gays, etc) makes me a poster boy. If it does then, HELL--Paste my chocolate naked (or clothed) self ALL OVER IT. I'm proud to shout for those that did not make it out of the inner city like I did. | | | |
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09-17-2005
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#44 (permalink)
| | | Back on topic. Here is an article talking about how the federally appointed (unqualified) leaders of FEMA ignored the warnings ot their employees. Quote: Originally posted by Cnn.com A disturbing view from inside FEMA Worker: Decision-makers lack disaster experience
Saturday, September 17, 2005; Posted: 5:06 p.m. EDT (21:06 GMT)
As Hurricane Katrina bore down on the Gulf Coast three weeks ago, veteran workers at the Federal Emergency Management Agency braced for an epic disaster.
But their bosses, political appointees with almost no emergency management experience, didn't seem to share the sense of urgency, a FEMA veteran said.
"We told these fellows that there was a killer hurricane heading right toward New Orleans," Leo Bosner, a 26-year FEMA employee and union leader told CNN. "We had done our job, but they didn't do theirs."( Watch video of the whistleblower)
Bosner's storm warning came early Saturday, three days before Hurricane Katrina came ashore in eastern Louisiana.
"New Orleans is of particular concern because much of that city lies below sea level," he warned in his daily alert to Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff, then-FEMA chief Michael Brown and other Bush administration officials.
"If the hurricane winds blow from a certain direction, there are dire predictions of what may happen in the city," it said. FEMA's tepid response while Katrina's victims grew desperate, suffered and died has been acknowledged and widely criticized.
The agency's failure is a tragic element of the Hurricane Katrina story. But, according to Bosner, FEMA's troubles came as no surprise after its role and stature shifted when federal agencies were reshuffled in response to the September 11, 2001 terror attacks. Raised concerns
A longtime union leader, Bosner has been a whistle-blower before. This time, he says, colleagues are quietly thanking him for speaking out.
A year ago he raised concerns that Brown was in over his head. Brown stepped down earlier this month after he was removed from leading the government's Katrina relief effort. After resigning, he criticized local officials in an interview with The New York Times, saying the White House wasn't at fault.
"I have nothing personal against Mike Brown," Bosner told CNN. "I feel badly about the guy. But he took a job he was never trained for. The man was a lawyer."
FEMA, formerly an independent agency led by a Cabinet-level official, was among the 22 federal agencies shuffled into the Department of Homeland Security. Brown was an undersecretary who answered to the secretary of Homeland Security.
Before joining the Bush administration in 2001, Brown had spent a decade as the stewards and judges commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association.
The Washington Post reported earlier this month that the top three FEMA officials had ties to Bush's 2000 presidential election campaign. Five of eight top FEMA officials had no crisis management experience, the newspaper said.
Chertoff and Brown have legal backgrounds but scant emergency management experience.
Brown came to work for FEMA in 2001 as legal counsel to his college friend, then-FEMA director Joe Allbaugh, who was Bush's 2000 campaign manager. Brown assumed the top job when Allbaugh left FEMA in 2003.
Chertoff is a former federal prosecutor and appellate court judge. As a prosecutor, he was involved in developing legal strategies for dealing with terrorism following the September 11 attacks. He was appointed Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security in February by a 98-0 Senate vote.
Chertoff worked from home the day Bosner first warned of the hurricane's catastrophic potential for New Orleans, CNN's Tom Foreman reported. Chertoff also has been criticized for writing a memo the day after Katrina struck, delegating authority to Brown and deferring to the White House rather than taking charge.
Chertoff has not commented, but a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security said he was in touch with Brown the weekend Katrina approached New Orleans.
The homeland security spokesperson also defended the memo, saying it merely put in writing procedures already in place. But the national disaster plan states that Homeland Security is in charge of the response to disasters like Katrina. Clamoring for reform
Committees in the House and Senate are looking into FEMA and the government's flawed response, and officials are clamoring for reform. Former President Bill Clinton, who revamped FEMA during his administration, is among them. (Watch video of Clinton on FEMA )
"Clearly, the FEMA response was slow and there are lots of reasons that I think that happened," Clinton told CNN on Friday. "I believe that there should be some reorganization there."
Clinton, and a national group of state disaster officials, say anyone who heads FEMA should be required to have emergency management credentials. Clinton added that the FEMA chief should answer to the president.
"It's sort of the standard thing," Clinton said, "but when an emergency strikes, that person becomes the most important person in the federal government."
The National Emergency Management Association, a non-profit association of state directors of emergency services, also lists crisis management qualifications as a must for the next FEMA head. In a posting on its Web site, it also called for the the FEMA chief to answer directly to the president ,rather than to the secretary of Homeland Security.
Bosner agrees. He wrote a memo in 1992 that raised red flags about FEMA and helped lead to reform during the Clinton administration.
"FEMA's biggest problem is that too few people in the agency are trained to help in emergencies," he wrote. "We have good soldiers but crummy generals."
For the rest of the 1990s, FEMA improved, Bosner said. But since 2001 the agency has again become demoralized and experienced disaster experts have left.
"At FEMA ... we have actually slid backwards," he said. | | | | |
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09-18-2005
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#45 (permalink)
| | | Quote: Originally posted by Lex Dr. Dilznick--it always seems as if you have an opinion, yet rarely do you add more than a line here of there. | What's it to you? Quote: | I'm the poster boy for a lot of things. Victims, however, is not one of them. Trust me. Unless of course, advocating for the impoverished (regardless of race), minority, disenfranchised and those discriminated against (women, gays, etc) makes me a poster boy. | Regardless of race? Then why do you capitalize "black" and not "white?" This isn't BET.com. Also, is discrimination always wrong? For example, if I were a cop and had to make a quota and I saw a 1976 Chevy Hardtop with a two tone paint job, a "Tag Applied for" cardboard plate and a nigga leaned back into his seat while bobbing his head to his rattling sound system, I might have to pull that nigga over. Quote: | If it does make me a poster boy, then, HELL--Paste my chocolate naked (or clothed) self ALL OVER IT. | If defying the ignorant Negro mindset renders me an oreo, then hand me a David Matthews CD and slab some mayo on my ham and Swiss. | | | |
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