bullshit protectors!

Or at least it has led them to believe it does, actually I'm not sure it represents anything other than it's own greed.

well, I was thinking more in terms of something logical, but hey...

Please explain this... How can you accuse people that actually recognize what's going on around them of wearing blinders? What are you insinuating people are so blind to, exactly?

I really want to know just where this shit is coming from...

From the people who are now in complete and total control of what used to be, "our government."

Hearing you guys and the DNC pundits on TV reminds me of meeting up with one of those people who walks the streets wearing a sandwichboard that proclaims "The End of the World is Near."...

"Repent! Repent!"
"I already have, thank you!"
"The world is about to end! Repent!"
"I'm ready, are you?"
"You're all doomed unless you repent!"
Hello, can you hear me?


Now those who are DNC supporters:

"Down with Bush!"
"You mean our president?"
"Bush lied! He lied!"
No, he didn't. His information, which was the same information Great Britain reported, turned out to be in error."
"Bush lied! Oh, woe is me! He lied!"
"I don't seem to be getting through."
"Bush is a moron! He's stupid! He's ignorant!"
"Well I could probably say the same about a few Democrats..."
"Aha! Throwing mud again, are you?! Halliburton! Iraqi oil!"
"Gee, if it's all so bad, maybe we should have Mr. Cheney take over."
"Already has! Lies! Oil! Stupid! Rove! Halliburton! Hate! Negativism!"
"If you'd take those blinders off, you might be able to see something besides those talking points which are directly in front of you."
"Down with Bush, you ignorant moron!"
"I think this is where I came in. How come you only have complaints? You never have any solutions."
"Health insurance! Economy! Stolen votes!......."

No debate can begin to make headway when there's so much hate. Yes hate. I don't often jump into political discussions with long responses anymore because I know I won't change any minds, enlighten any souls or convert any voters in this atmosphere. I support the president. You hate him, therefore you hate me for supporting him. You feel he's a moron, therefore I'm stupid.

You all sound alike, a chorus of negativity.

Hate.

Blinders.

When will you remove them?

Pecker, by your own post, you explain why many are angry at bush and cheney. You post real issues like stolen votes, a war based on an inaccurate if not wholly contrived bit of misinformation, conflicts of interest concerning both of their private interests in oil companies. You rebuke these only by saying we're blind. Do you see why this is not a good enough answer?

Why do you support bush? What has he done that you think is good for our country as a whole? We all now know that the terrorists were mostly Saudi, so why are we in Iraq, whose government is no worse than many in the world if not for oil profits? If bush made an honest error based on bad info, why did we not pull out when the error was discovered?

Your side invented the sound bite.

With the stolen votes, Bush was caught in the act. Negative votes and more votes than actual voters.
With Iraq, Bush was also caught in the act, planning the war in 1999. Bush was also caught flubbing insurance. Notice the case of Valerie Plame.
Halliburton dealing with Saddam Hussein in the 90s is well-established. Halliburton's embezzlement is also established; the smoking gun was charging $45 per case of Pepsi.
I consider health insurance and the economy relevant issues. Wouldn't you agree?

:eyes: oh, please. you honestly think I could give enough of a shit to HATE anyone on that basis? I don't even KNOW you or george bush. pointing out that he is, indeed, a moron and that it is, indeed, stupid by definition to identify onesself with morons is a looong way off qualifying as hate in my book.

didn't ask you to. I asked you to provide some logical reason for your apparent support for a group of patently useless and incompetent politicians. I ask precisely because the present US government is directed by people who are scumbags even by regular politicians' standards; I'd seriously like to hear how their supporters excuse them, cos the whole thing just baffles me.

on the other hand, back to my original question: if, as you claim, you got nothing to say on the subject, what's with the pseudo-smartass one-liners and political soundbites? I'm sure you're not unaware that most people are gonna see those as challenges to argument. it's kind of the online equivalent of shouting "YOUR MOM YOUR MOM" at people.

My point, Doc, is that the left has no agenda except to point out the administration's 'shortcomings' without offering viable alternatives.

As for my pseudo-smartass one-liners, maybe I just don't take this crap as seriously as you do.

Or maybe I'm just not wearing blinders.

Okay, well MY viable alternatives would be NOT starting a war without getting the facts straight first, NOT rigging elections, NOT allowing politicians to make decisions where there is a clear conflict of interest (Martha Stewart went to jail for that, but she's not the pres.) and hey, while we're at it, how about NOT letting these men skate when they're caught red-handed, like Karl Rove and the Enron fiasco. These are realistic concerns, why is it not okay to expect satisfaction to these insults? These are legal crimes, punishable by the laws of our country, and yet if anyone says "Hey, I don't want my president or his "people" to be above the law", then WE'RE the bad guys. Sorry, no sale.

Smartass quips aside, your arguments on this thread have completely lacked content.

You're proving my point again, Jana. You've responded with the continuing negatives.

Where are the positives? You can't just say "I wouldn't do it that way."

The fact remains that the left walks around with their heads on backwards, looking through those blinders at the past and tearing at their hair.

Act.

Amend the Constitution.

Re-elect King Clinton.

okay, well with the points soaring high above the heads of their intended recipients, I think we can safely write off this discussion as a waste of time.