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Old 06-15-2008   #22 (permalink)
Artful Dodger
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My point is that very little in your statement bears much resemblance to fact.

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Originally Posted by Wartrac View Post
However, think about it for a few minutes next time you say the US sucks. Think about all the times we DID stick our noses in certain places and what would have happened if we didn't.

What would the world be like as a hole if we did not get involved in WWI or WWII? In the past 100+ years .
Firstly on the subject of The Great War: America joining the war made very little difference on its outcome. You only joined the war within the last year, not as is your fantasy "for the cause of other nations", but to protect your shipping routes! Even then you were not fully involved, America would not could itself as one of the allied powers as it did not declre war on many of the Axis nations, only Germany. So the credit of WWI rightfully goes to Russia, Italy, France and The British Empire.

So we move to WWII: Again you were rather late to join, not doing so really, untill the beginning of 1942. And again it wasn't for "the cause of other nations" who you had ignored to fend for themselves. But because the American soil had been threatened by Japan.
You've made it sound like you were the first to be there when Hitler started conquering countries, but you watched quite happily as down goes Poland, down goes Denmark, down goes Norway, then France, then Malta, then Greece, then Yugoslavia, then Finland, then Romania. You watch still as Hitler attempts to invade Russia, and Britain leaving us to fend for ourselves, and then finally when Japan forces you to be actively involved you step up to the mark and begin to be useful.
At this point huge credit is due, Americas troups fought very bravely and her troups were comanded, on the whole, very well. But there were other factors. The British Empire and Commonwealth Nations and Russia were just as responsible as you for the defeat of Hitler as well as many other smaller countries.

Next up is the ridiculous claim that America has lost more people in the last 100 years than any other country: The list of countries that have lost more people in war than the United States really is very long, it includes...
  • Russia
  • France
  • The British Empire
  • Italy
  • Germany
  • Japan
  • Poland
  • Yugoslavia
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Originally Posted by Wartrac View Post
I am talking from a civilian standpoint and what we give to international charities on top of what we give as a nation from tax dollars.
The people of America do produce an awful lot of aid for times when it is called for by way of Natural Disaster or whatever... but know more than would be expected from the richest and one of the biggest countries in the world. For example take a country like Sweden, It could never hope to produce the same kind of level of aid as the USA, although it is also very rich, because its far less densly poulated. Much of Sweden is forest so there are less people living there to donate money.

(Try to understand what I have written rather than over-riding my opinion the American way...)