is stroking with another guy bad??

strokedick: I am a well hung blackman who love to discreetly jack off with other men. I love watching porn with other men and jacking off with them. It is a turn on to see them moan and cum. I can not stay away from women, I love women too much. please respond.
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Strokedick

I would be the same if I had access to other discreet men.
Franky

HornyVeteranSJ: Stroked, I think it's awesome to j/o with other guys around. I totally understand where you are coming from. It's a very strong way to bond with guys if everybody is with the idea. I've done it with my last roomate, he's straight. Popped in the porn, (actually I had the TEN network on my dish, XXX porn 24/7) and after about 15 minutes watching it I asked him if he wanted to j/o. It was kinda funny looking back, I was 24 and he was 28. I had my average sized cock out stroking it with lotion, while he had a sheet over himself doing it. I told him that looks like a drag and to move the sheet so he could get into it the way he normally would. I thought he'd be small acting like that but this 5'9" white guy was packing almost a good 8". He used both hands, I never seen that technique before. We stroked until we came. He told me he had never j/o with a guy around but said it was actually cool. I did coach him on while he was coming..."Shoot that load, etc. He was on the loveseat and I was on my couch. We masturbated a few times together. Never touching each other, although I wished we have...he knew I was bi at the time. Needless to say that male bonding experience brought us closer together as friends.
Mike

Bad? No. Gay? Maybe. Safe? Yes. It sounds like you're somewhere between a 1 and a 3 on the Kinsey scale.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it, I've done it before, and I know of a handful of my friends who have done it with other friends. It seems to be fairly common. Guys are horny and want to get off. If there is no touching, I would bet that the majority of guys would do it given the chance, because I think we are all curious to see how we stack up to other dudes, and if we are big...well, it gives us a chance to show off our masculinity. lol

Tender: ...

I agree with the first part of what Tender said, it's really all about what YOU think. If you're okay with it, then just have fun. I think it's only wrong if it makes you feel bad, if it doesn't- it's okay. I think we often get hung up on what society thinks and this can mess with your head. Set your own standards and be your own man.

I'm trying to figure out why Tender is comdemning this topic as wrong when it's something that is out of her realm of knowledge or experience. Being a female, she can't understand what goes through the male mind, just like we don't understand the female mind. For her to say that she thinks it's wrong is way out of line when it is something that she will never take part in.

The first part of her post is good, but I think that she crossed the line with the second part of her post when she says, "to me it is wrong. But, having others condone it or say how 'right' it is for them, doesnt give any justification to someone else to engage in it." This is a support group, not a judgement group.

LoveGirl: I suppose you would have us shoot all free women for expressing an opinion too.
I am not seriously trying to start a fight I just am trying to say it seems as though you either misunderstood Tender or you don't like other people expressing an opinion.

In the case that you MIGHT have misunderstood, allow me to explain (Unless of course I misunderstood which is a 50/50 chance being as thick as I am). By saying "having others condone it or saying how 'right' it is for them, doesnt give and justification to someone else to engage in it." Tender means that only the actual person can have good judgement and can choose the situation, and whether it is right or not FOR THEM. No one else can know everything you know and make decisions about your life that correspond with that. Only the person can choose what is right for them. If it is illegal, it is MOST LIKELY wrong. Other than that only you can decide what is wrong or not.

No I have not misunderstood, but what you don't understand, only because you haven't been around here long enough, is that Tender tends to see things with blinders on. She goes on what she has been told her whole life and if it doesn't correspond with what she agrees with, it's wrong. When it's wrong it's condemned. Everything is black and white in her world, and sorry to say, life isn't always that easy. In some things there are moral absolutes (murder is wrong, child molestation is wrong, etc.), but there are some gray areas, and those gray areas are when we need to use our minds to think out the "what ifs" of our actions. Those gray areas also give us a chance to show compassion to others and show love and respect to others. Blatantly saying something like jacking off with another man is wrong just shows ignorance. If that is a way that a person confirms his HETEROsexuality, why is it wrong? It's obvious that Tender only approves of heterosexuality, so why would she condemn something that would thrust someone into the path that she thinks is the only acceptable way?

I'm straight, I'm a Christian, but I have experimented. I have gay friends, I have bi friends, but it's not up to me to say whether or not it's right. All I can do is be their friend and be supportive. Maybe I'm more open minded because I have experimented, I don't know. All I do know is that unless a person has tried it, than no one else can make comment on it. If a woman has had a bi experience, it would be the same kind of thing. When Tender has a Lesbian experience, then she will be able to make a comment, but until then, she has no right to make a judgement call.

Ok, well, this topic really doesn't have much anything to do with morality, unless anyone around here is still stuck on that Leviticus reference. And even then, you're not necessarily "laying" with mankind if you're stroking... unless you're lying down, literally... ah, semantics, semantics!

Everyone has a right to declare what is "right" or "wrong" for oneself personally, so long as that opinion doesn't trounce upon someone else. The easy argument to make against Tender is that, like Prep said, she doesn't really have the right to declare what Stroker wants to do is wrong. And if you ant to be an ass about it, you could make the same argument for Prep. What he says is right doesn't mean it is right for all. Again, it's a personal choice. Perhaps the only immediate thing Stroker needs to worry about is, well, (1) how he feels about jerking off with guys, assessing whether or not he really wants to go through with it, and (2) if he can find like-minded guys to play with.

(2) is the harder of the two steps to face, obviously.

Either way, I wish Stroke a lot of luck in making friends with guys who don't have any qualms about jerking off together. I suppose for a while I had been looking for the same thing, but I never got lucky here in Lexington. Of course, this city -- no offense -- isn't a real haven for guys like me who are for all practical purposes straight, but doesn't mind the occasional show off-jerk off thing.

BRMSTN69: Dee, try living in E'ville , IN ( its Evansville but we call it E'ville for a reason)sound it out!!

joe22xxx: Cool topic. As usual I'm impressed with what Dee has to say. Maybe that's because we have very similar points of view.

It's difficult for me to think about jerking off alone or with another guy as "bad". In fact I've had experiences with my older brother when we were in high school that I would consider as serious bonding, when we jerked together. Some people would call it incest. I call it liberation. Part of the reason that this might feel uncomfortable to some guys is that it's intimate, & it's difficult for guys to be intimate with other guys,even if it's just enjoying a little stroking. I know this is a fear for me sometimes. I find that if I relax, & just enjoy the connection, there's nothing to fear.

This is also why guys have a difficult time expressing their feelings for each other, & why they (we) have to get drunk to get close to each other.

HornyVeteranSJ: Like I've said, with the right people j/o with someone else is a very significant experience. Most guys never see another in the flesh erect cock. Most never even see their buddy nude. Society makes it harder for guys to bond without placing a label on things. To masturbate with a friend, to see how they do it, how they react to their own stimulation, to see another guy cum is a very bonding experience...almost a privilege. It's a bond almost greater than the bond of teammates from seeing each other nude, playing together and such. To put a label on such bonding is a crime. Is it gay? Bi? It's human nature to be curious. Is it gay if you want to see a large cock in straight porn? It is gay when you slap a teammate on the butt? Is it gay to hug a man? Where is the line drawn? Yes if you had to slap a label on me it'll be gay. But to j/o with somebody without mutual stimulation to me isn't gay, but a way of male bonding and trust. Some of my straight friends think dancing at clubs or at all is gay. Labels makes life so difficult to truly enjoy.

I think Joe22xxx has stumbled on a great point. Society has made men feel uncomfortable about being expressive about feelings and about getting intimate. We fear it. We fear it not only with males but we fear it with females, too. Why is it so hard for us to show emotion? It's instilled in us that we are not supposed to show emotion, we're supposed to be stoic "according to society." Well, who made those rules up?

Like Joe, I think that's why I also enjoy the times that I have jacked with a buddy. It's a male bonding experience for me. I grew up without a father because he died when I was a baby. Maybe I have always sought out a close male relationship (friendship only) because of the lack of having one growing up and the intimate friendship that jacking together brings about fosters it. Who knows. I've talked with other friends who have jacked with friends and they agree that it brings about an intense bonding.

There is nothing to fear about expressing feelings and being close to another guy, but society has warped us into thinking we have to be these cold, unfeeling machines. I think that's part of the reason that there is a lot of dysfunction in the world today.