Originally Posted by Mademoiselle Rouge

Yes it must be my back, i do have a very stiff back and some disc degeneration. I never thought of that, but it would definitely contribute to me not being able to reach around and under like that.

I saw where some Asian countries have the hole in the floor that you squat above to go....do Asians not get bad knees? I have arthritic knees and the taller the toilet the better. Geez i sound like i'm falling apart!

I'm entirely way too interested in other peoples toileting customs....