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Originally Posted by Freddie53  This is a fine present to give to your son. Mom can bathe with you son and that is OK, but I can 't bathe with your sister Sally because all I am like all men and have "male sexual drives." |
THis tactic in debate is called a "Straw Man"... rather than actually refute or address my point, you distort or falsely 're-define' my point to the argument you feel you CAN counter.
That is not what I said at all. I said that when a male parent SEEKS nude, private time with a child ( of either gender) that it bears some SCRUTINY.
If that male parent is NOT the biological father... then it bears actual investigation.
There is a difference in a familial atmosphere of casual nudity... and a man taking his daughter into a shower.
There is a difference between a family sleeping together... and the father sleeping separately with his daughter.
And, really, don't pretend you don't know there is a difference.
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You don't think women don't have sexual drives and just as strong? In recent years the number of female teachers seducing high school boys is about even with the number of male teachers seducing female high school students.
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Try reading up on sexual molestation statistics... it will open your eyes as to which gender poses the greater risk.
It would be lovely and sweet to "believe" that we are all the same....but it would be naive and irresponsible, too.
The vast majority of violent and sexual crime is committed by men. It is well established that this is largely due to the effects of testosterone...
While less concerned with mother's being naked with their children, I am still uneasy with any parent pressing naked time on their child. Most children express a wish for personal privacy at the point where they are becoming aware of gender differences. This is natural.
Parental pressure can dismiss this need on the part of the child, forcing a parent's ideology on the child's natural tendencies.
As I said, even when the nude contact is perfectly innocent... the child's brain is going thru a phase of sexual wiring... It IS possible to screw up your children even with the best of intentions. ( especially with the best of intentions )
In almost all human societies, female children are separated from adult males.
This cultural more did not evolve and persist accidentally... its important to human survival and healthy human societies.
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There is a another problem with your logic, you compared one gender bathing and the other gender showering. The context should be the same in order to make a valid comparison.
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The problem is with your reading comprehension.
I was responding to someone ELSE saying that they bathed with their children.
I was purposely pointing out that a mother BATHING with her son is NOT the same as a daughter SHOWERING with her father.
In other words, I was pointing out to another poster that
their comparison of the two as similar was invalid.
While I would be
less nervous about a father bathing with a daughter.... I would still be more nervous than with a mother bathing with her son...
The critical parameter is AGE.
Under no circumstances should a father be in a shower stall with a 2 or 3 year old daughter, simply because, innocent or not, it puts his penis in her face.
Sorry... I don't think that is appropriate.
But I think a father
bathing with his 2 or 3 year old daughter is just fine.
However... if when the child gets to be 6 or 7 or 8... it is LESS fine to even be bathing with the child.
Once again. IF you are paying attention to the CHILD's feedback... children will let you know when it is inappropriate for you to be cavorting naked with them.
What I keep hearing is folks who have this "ISSUE" trying to foist their unproven solution onto the psyches of their children.
But then, just to be clear... I think taking your kids to sunday school is just as bad. Borderline child abuse.
How about we simply raise the child to be healthy, educated and capable of making their own choices, rather than indoctrinating them with our pet peeves?