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Old 05-08-2008   #33 (permalink)
Wyldgusechaz
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Originally Posted by VinylBoy View Post
You're looking at so many issues that have a lot more to do than just color. Stop drinking that racial Kool-Aid and look at it from a different angle.

First off, let's look at the women. Women have always had to struggle to be treated equally in the workplace. A lot of them feel as if they don't get the same wages, benefits or treatment than a man who get the same positions. Things like this drive women to be more competitive, which explains in the simplest of terms why more women are gearing themselves to go to college. Remember this paragraph, I will get back to it in a sec.

Now, let's look at the school systems in poor, urban areas. Many of these schools do not have sufficient tools to provide an accurate education. If both black men and women were failing or not succeeding at an equal rate, you are on solid ground. However, they are not. The women do well in spite of the handicap. Why?I know this first hand for I was a student that was part of the Bussing Era. Where I was growing up, public school systems in big cities were not good compared to those in more suburban areas. However they still work reasonably well for women! My parents put me in a program that allowed me to go to these other schools and get a better education. I bussed to school, anywhere up to 2 hours both ways, from 1st to 12th Grade. I had to wake up as early as 5AM to get dressed, try to get something to eat and then catch a school bus that drove myself and a selected few from my city to one school many miles away. It was a heavy burden to pay and I spent many years of my life in awkward situations being the only black kid in a class full of white students, but it made me a better person in the long run. I learned very quickly how to relate to people who were different than me, realized the difference between racially driven comments that were done out of innocence and ignorance, as well as get a better academic education. Alas, bussing wouldn't have been necessary if school systems in major cities were adequately funded and equipped. They aren't and thats wrong, again tho women surmount the handicap and men don't. Why? Most people who are in these poor, urban areas just happen to be Black & Hispanic, whereas most suburbs have a much larger caucasion base. If I were comparing poor inner city black kids to white kids from Beverly Hills or The Hampsteads or teh Chicago NOrth side, that would be patently unfair. I am comparing 2 groups of people under EXACTLY THE SAME ENVIRONMENT.

Now, let's do the math. You have plenty of male minorities bUT NOT FEMALE??!! stuck in poor education systems where they are not getting any real motivation to excel academically. OK then where is the female motivation that seems to be clearly apparent in the numbers? They'll tell them about how they can get all kinds of 4 year scholarships if they can play good ball, but don't even try to tell them how they can get the same praise if they apply themselves in Math & Science. Many teachers and school systems just push students through to the next grade, regardless if they get the necessary education or not. Many school systems are already set to fail and it has NOTHING to do with Black men vs. Black women. That's the real issue here. NO IT IS NOT Blame the government and the school systems for not providing cities with the tools necessary to stimulate the minds of minority men. Don't blame the bulk of this on laziness. i HATE TO POINT THIS OUT TO YOU BUT YOU DID BLAME IT ON LAZINESS. YOU SAID IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE THAT WOMEN OUT HUSTLE(my words) OR COMPETE HARDER FOR EDUCATION. The men won't compete? Thats pretty much the textbook definition of laziness. But that isn't what I said. You did.

My mistake. Not a poll. But that doesn't change anything.
Facts exist because of pre-existing circumstances,(facts are statistical expressions of outcomes) and unless you're willing to analyze every angle ( I don't have to in this case. I am comparing apples to apples. The only difference in the 2 groups is their sex. Their environments are identical. If I were comparing black men in Alabama to black women in Cameroon then you would be right. If I were comparing black women in MIssissippi to black women in Idaho you would be right.)then it makes no sense for you to source an article that partially supports your theory, spout all this narrow-minded ignorance about a racial demographic that has no real scientific backing, then get pissed when people call you out on it. It's almost as if you're just trolling.
Most of what every one posted above is anecdotal. Just stories. Like fairy tales or science fiction. When you are dealing with 100's of thousands of people, its there in the numbers. Anyone who does not believe that higher education benefits a society as a whole is being foolish. Sure there are folks who went thru college and did not get much out of it but can you say that about whole populations? Would the world be better off without any education at all? Thats what you are saying. I love how everyone here quotes personal anecdotes which are of no use at all against mounds and mounds of peer reviewed data. It just doesn't wash that way.