the existence of contradictory examples doesn't discredit the existence of the other side of the fence. when you watch a movie is the guy sitting at home taking care of the kids or sitting in a 27th floor office?? when a man is put in charge of kids, isn't if often in a humorous light at his constant misfailing??

"daddy day care"
"whatever the rocks movie was where he played a father"
"cuba's movie where he was in charge of a children's camp"

how often are father's portrayed as irresponsible sperm donators who bail when he finds out his girlfriend's pregnant because he isn't ready to handle the responsibility.

or listen to a song on the radio, do rappers rap about the connection they feel with their children, or all the money they make and how uber-masculine they are.

the most annoying thing about this forum is when people hear a different side of an argument and go "you're generalizing. no i'm not, i'm speaking from the other side of the fence. i didn't say ALL or even most, at worst i didn't include the word "some". but to deny the presence of men being portrayed and incompetent fools who's role in the house is to make money, you must live under a rock.