Stupid White Men - Michael Moore

javier..

i picked up a copy of stupid white men sometime last year. i expected it to be entertaining and to ask probing questions and tell a compelling story. awright he is known to be a little sloppy with facts and chronologies since roger and me, but i expected a good read and story line. wrong.

i think he had better stick with docu-dramas and a tighter script....man, he was all over the place and with inaccurate facts. i wish i had read the review on salon.com before buying the book.

oh yeah, i only made it through a third of the book...if that.

jay

Javy, Jay, I read the book piecemeal - that is, I started out reading it from page one but quickly realized that there was no flow from page to page, so I put it in the bathroom where I could read it in small snippets, in random order. *It reminded me of James' Ulysseys in that it is kind of mad stream of consciousness.

The subjects appropriately matched the smell in the room.

Pecker

Javierdude22: [quote author=bilbobagginsx link=board=99;num=1054548667;start=20#31 date=06/07/03 at 0603]

The subjects appropriately matched the smell in the room.

Pecker[/quote]

Lol...haha....well finally some un-nuanced replys, thats what i was looking for. Thank you...

I agree with you guys that its a badwritten book, style wise....and the numbers are not particurely accurate, but i think theyre just meant to support him making a point. But i see what you mean.

I think some questions raised are very valid though...i have many friends in the US and they seem to agree with a lot of the points made...or is that just cause its California?...i havent really talked to many people in other states, although i did see most of the Southwest.

Most seemed to agree that theres still a substantial racism problem. That teacher are totally underpaid and scaughed when we DO expect them to take perfect care of our children. And ofcourse the gun issue...i dont care what the numbers are but obviously guncrime would be MUCH lower if it were illegal (ill get some response to that im sure).

Concerning what Wolfowitz said...i didnt see anything about re-locating troops from Saudi Arabia to Iraq in the qoute. Like Jaytoo said, i read in several independent newspapers that that was the actual reason. And if what Wolfowitz said wasnt all that a-politically correct, then why is Blair under fire? Why is Europe thinking about sanctions? I dunno...

Greetz

javier
dude,

i agree that some of the questions/points raised by michael moore are valid; however, when they are combined with inaccurate information and rantings [yeah, this is probably a little strong...but i could not think of a better word.}, the points lose much of their validity and power.

in my opinion, bush and moore are idealogues; the difference is that one has a right-wing agenda; the other, a left-wing. both approach decisions in the same manner...i believe this; now let's find the facts and rationale to support my belief/thesis. don't fit....no problem, let's bend them.

me? well, i guess that i am a pragmatist...what are the facts? which theses are supported by the data/facts...what is the impact of each thesis? so what is the best outcome for each decision path? yeah, this is not for seat-of-the-pants, air-jockey wannabes....too much trouble.

jay

Oh, looks like the Iraqis are revolting (Okay, that's enough laughing.) because the US won't let them elect their leaders. But hell, we don't even do that here.