Clinton

gigantikok: Ok, just finished watching an exclusive news interview with Juanita Broaddrick. Everyone may argue about Clinton's relations with women, but it is confirmed that Clinton forcefully raped Juanita Broaddrick. Not only does Broaddrick have the support of 5 witnesses, but she seems to be very credible. So after hearing this story, i can't help but feel sick. Our ex-president not only had affairs with countless women, but he forcefully raped one and fondled and molested another. Yup, don't forget Kathleen Willey, who was forcefully fondled and sexually harrassed by Clinton. So, I don't see a good man. I see a liar, i see a rapist, i a man who has absolutely no morals, yet i see so much support towards him. I still hear from certain people that are still willing to defend him. WHY? WHY defend a mediocre president AT BEST who lied to the entire country under oath, raped, molested, and belittled women, took bribes, and was an overall shady, untrustworthy scumbag? Why? That is what i am asking. Is it because he has pretty much been the ONLY democratic president of any character or charisma in the last 40 years? Is it because some people actually want to convince themselves he really did anything important? I dunno, I'm just stumped. ???

Javierdude22: Western judicial systems are based on the belief that people are inncoent till proven guilty...

I'm pretty sure that Clinton fooled around which is morally offensive, but unless someone is gonna charge him with rape, and unless he is convicted for that crime, i stand by the belief that he's innocent.

He was a two term president for crying out loud, of course theres gonna be interviews, and people saying stuff, and people mking up stuff, and what not....but believing everything thats being ousted in the media means my IQ would drop below the average temperature of a Wisconsin winter. Theyre still talking about all the things Kennedy has done, might have done, is still doin....(?)...

Presidency wise, i think he was not the best, but ceretainly one of the better presidents of the past decades. Lets be honest, after Kennedy it all went downhill, too many cover-ups, or scandals, and if there werent any scandals they had no charisma or pro-activity (Ford, Carter).

Clinton, aside from his personal life, didnt do all too bad presidentwise, and the fact that he did two terms stipulates that.

You do realize, gigantikok, that a woman can lie. Hell, in the old South, if a girl had a mulatto baby, she'd say she was raped to avoid being lynched.

gigantikok: Yea, she might be lieing, but i find it uncanny how many wittnesses that saw her come out of the room with her lip bitten and bleeding. It's uncanny how many other women he's belittled and fucked around with. And frankly, i dont trust him. He lied to me once, he's untrustworthy. And frankly, there have been more scandals and coverups during clintons precidency then have been since before the Reagan era. Come on Folks, he even stole stuff from Airforce one, and mysteriously pardoned criminals days before getting out of office. How can a man like this be innocent for once in his life if he's been lieing, stealing, and cheating his whole life? Sheesh.

gigantikok: he may be a two term president, but you dont see countless women accusing Reagan of rape. You dont even see the other living ex presidents get accused of ANY sexual misconduct. Why would so many women come forward if it werent-dare i say it?- TRUE?

Javierdude22: [quote author=gigantikok link=board=99;num=1055296557;start=0#3 date=06/11/03 at 21:36:56]And frankly, there have been more scandals and coverups during clintons precidency then have been since before the Reagan era. *Come on Folks, he even stole stuff from Airforce one, and mysteriously pardoned criminals days before getting out of office[/quote]

Ok...i dont wanna alarm you here, but every president in office stole stuff from the White house, Clinton is no exception to that.

More scandals and cover ups during Clinton than ever before Reagan? Good that you said BEFORE REagan cause he was quite something, but seriously, Whitewater come to mind? I guess its a perception call on whats worse.

And you have to realize that we live in the information era. It has never been harder for anyone in the picture to have a private life, or to cover up stuff. If youd pull out the statistics youd see a very sharp rise in scandal exposions. Enron was the latest. Nixon and before had radio and balck and white tv and not too many newschannels....we still dont know all the things Nixon did, and will never know i guess.

And about how many women accused Clinton, and all that: Look, people are sheep...sad but true. Of course the MOnica Lewinsky thing was very true, and of course youre gonna have women that think: hm...i met Clinton once, what if i say this and that, and hope to wheel some nice cash for my story? Dont underestimate the moneydrive of some people.

Hey, the Clinton years informed us of two important facts that we should all keep in mind: it doesn't count if was just oral sex and it doesn't count if you didn't inhale. (Maybe that last one can apply to oral sex as well?)

Finedessert: Quote of the Century

I'm going to vote Republican, Because the Democrats left a bad taste in my mouth.
Monica Lewinsky


Grandpa

gigantikok: Well Javierdude, i find it quite alarming how you and so many others try so hard to cover up what this man has done and defend him. Let me name some more things that happened during clinton's presidency along with the mysterious criminal pardons (who probably paid him off) and shameless theft of presidential supplies (which no other ex presidents had the gall to do, no matter how much you claim they did) ...this nation's nuclear arms secrets being sold to China, and (oh yea, i bet you havent heard this one) Clinton being one of the only to vote against the bill to make late term abortions illegal. Out of practically every congressman (Republican and Democrat), Clinton was the only to be against the bill and try and veto it. How do you feel that your beloved Ex president sold our nations secrets for a profit and supported the killing of practically fully developed babies? I can pull up more and more. Try and remain ignorant and ignore the facts. Try hard as hell to not believe any of these women, but i believe Juanita Broaddrick and her many witnesses and supporters. I believe Kathleen Willey. Oh, and about monica lewinsky, to your comment about monica making sexual accusations towards clinton popular...she wasn't the first. Jennifer Flowers and Paula Jones came forward before her. How could she set an example if she wasnt the first? And why would Juanita broaddrick try and lie AFTER clinton got out of office if her rape happened in 1991? If she wanted to lie and bring down the reputation of that man, why didnt she do it during his presidency? Sheesh. All seems to point to the fact that clinton was a rapist, thief, and overall scum.

[quote author=gigantikok link=board=99;num=1055296557;start=0#8 date=06/12/03 at 20:50:23] ...this nation's nuclear arms secrets being sold to China [/quote]

Is that so much worse than selling arms to Iran during the Reagan administration? Here was a hostile nation with strong anti-American sentiment, so what did we do? We gave them fucking weapons! Bright move. Vice-president Bush denied the allegations until it was impossible to cover up the transaction any longer, then he basically said, "Oh .. so maybe we did sell arms to the Iranians. I forgot." Later we found out Reagan was developing Alzheimer's disease while still in office, so maybe he really did forget. While I don't condone Billy-Bob Clinton's behaviour, keep in mind that we now have the son of a man who lied to the nation then had the nerve to say during his campaign, "We need an honest man in the White House." He wouldn't know an honest man if one bit him on the ass. No administration is without its faults. Besides, the impeachment proceedings against Clinton provided us hours of entertainment!

Javierdude22: [quote author=gigantikok link=board=99;num=1055296557;start=0#8 date=06/12/03 at 20:50:23] ...this nation's nuclear arms secrets being sold to China, and (oh yea, i bet you havent heard this one) Clinton being one of the only to vote against the bill to make late term abortions illegal. *Out of practically every congressman (Republican and Democrat), Clinton was the only to be against the bill and try and veto it. *How do you feel that your beloved Ex president sold our nations secrets for a profit and supported the killing of practically fully developed babies? *I can pull up more and more. *Try and remain ignorant and ignore the facts. *

to your comment about monica making sexual accusations towards clinton popular...she wasn't the first. *Jennifer Flowers and Paula Jones came forward before her. *How could she set an example if she wasnt the first? *And why would Juanita broaddrick try and lie AFTER clinton got out of office if her rape happened in 1991? *If she wanted to lie and bring down the reputation of that man, why didnt she do it during his presidency? *Sheesh. *All seems to point to the fact that clinton was a rapist, thief, and overall scum. [/quote]

About China...to be honest...youre taking a rather biased view on this matter, which is logical, cause thats a natural habit. You consider China having this info as dangerous. Maybe...But i can show you as many people who find that the US having this information is MORE dangerous, since the US cant stop meddling in other peoples business. Its really all a matter of perspective. China has hardly been a violent nation internationally, the US has.

The Monica thing. I know that Paula jOnes and some others came first. Monica however had a closed case, im not doubting his guilt there. Monica couldnt talk about it for several years though, and for those years, she was seen as the white house whore, not a good rep. NOW however, she did several docu's, and she's presenting a couple of shows. Big bucks huh...and NOW....from 1991 till 2003 that woman stands up and screams help? Very weird to me. Maybe she noticed that Monica eventually did get out fine, and she thought she could make a quick buck. And she probably did. Im just curious why she waited that long, and if she's sue-ing. Cause if she's not, than on that part, Clinton will remain innocent to me. Not found guilty means innocent, and of course you have a right to what you believe. But frankly, i think its more a result of your REpublican affiliation, than of your personal dislike for Clinton.

The baby thing. That is reprehensible to me, very true...in my opinion thats murder. But its one thing, on a list of things. And to be honest, to me Clinton's bad record of 8 years presidency is shorter, than the one of Bush jr. after 3 years. But thats all a matter of opinion.

AnonyMs: [quote author=Javierdude23 link=board=99;num=1055296557;start=0#10 date=06/13/03 at 02:42:29]Im just curious why she waited that long...[/quote] Sexual assault is an act of violence and is one of the few crimes where the VICTIM frequently gets the blame. *Invariably, the victim tries to figure out how he or she (guys can get sexually assaulted, too) could have avoided being sexually assaulted. *Many, many persons *who are sexually assaulted do not ever tell a soul. *Crisis counseling centers estimate that only one in four women who are sexually assaulted ever report the crime to authorities, and one in ten men. *
Why not report it immediately? *Misplaced guilt and *shame plus a myriad of other emotions all play a part.

So true, AnonyMs. In fact, South Dakota had a rapist governor for over 20 years; he's now congressman. But of course, nlatimer and gigantikok don't care about how Janklow raped an underage girl, killed her a few years later, and then used his resources as State Attorney General and later Governor to cover it up. Not that a cover-up was necessary; raping underage Indian girls is like counting coup for South Dakota rednecks. So, is it because she had brown skin or because he's a Republican that we don't talk about it?

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I'm 19, and never heard of the guy.

So fuck you saying I don't care.

You want to fuck me? Sorry, I don't swing that way. Or do you care?