Hazel, that makes two of us. I sometimes break into hysterical laughter at some of the things you say as well. Just kidding. You take the thiings that others say that you disagree as a joke. I try to read what they have to say with a serious demeanor. No I haven't laughed my head off at some of what you have written. I have thought several times how naive you must really be about American politics. Hillary doesn't hold a candle to Bush and Company. Some of the past actions of presidents in and out of office have been a disgrace to say the least.



So you know something first hand. Great. Hillary is a politician. So is Obama and McCain. Have you not noticed how McCain has changed his position about the tax package he voted against but now to get the Republican votes in November and to get the Republican nomination he now has to be for keeping them. Flip flop. You bet.

I've never said that anything you wrote about Hillary as far as factual information is incorrect. It is your conclusions that you have come to that I have issue. Hillary the absolute worst person since Hitler, Mao and Stalin? That is a bit much don't you think. Yet you have painted her with such a brush as to set her apart as being evil beyond anyone within the memory of any of us here at the LPSG.

Again, it is your conclusions, not individual facts you present that bother me. I am just baffled that you would go on such a witch hunt against her. Obama hasn't done that.

The bottom line is that I happen to believe that overall Hillary can handle the duties of the United States better than Obama and certainly a hell of a lot better than McCain. She is shrewd. Sometimes we need a president that is shrewd. I believe that HIillary will get us out of Iraq without near as much negative consequences as if Obama gets us out of Iraq.

Lesson is the fifth grade reading I taught years ago. I am stating opinions here. I can list all the facts I can ever find and print them here. It is not going to change your opinion.

If you would just state some of what you write as what it is opinions based on some facts that you have experienced or know first hand I wouldn't have near the problem with your stances.

Take this statement. Obama is just as shrewed and has just as many instances as Hillary in his background that would indicate that he is dishonest. That is opinion pure and simple and can only be opinion becuse what I interpret as a negative instance, you may consider a positive instance.

It does bother me that you would choose to now have disrespect for me based solely on this one political issue in which much of the conversation as been opinions based on a set of facts.

But this sentence by you is telling: From the viewpoint of a person who believes in the basic ideals of this republic, HRC is a vile and poisonous entity who shouldn't be granted an audience with the Chief Executive, much less sit in his chair.

The inference here is that you believe in the basic ideals of the Republic and anyone who is for Hillary does not believe in the basic ideals of this republic. That is a huge assumption on your part.

And at least once you have commented how much you laughed when reading something I have posted. And you expect me to then respect your opinion after admitting that?

The conclusion I am drawing is that you aren't really interested in a true dialog with someone unless they are for Obama. Thank God, Obama himself doesn't take that view. He is going to need the Hillary votes if he is going to beat McCain. Have you even thought about that statement? If all the Hillary voters either stay at home or vote for McCain then Obama is history come November.

So if Obama does indeed get the nomination, are you going to show up at all the Hillary supporters doorsteps here with a peace pipe and try to welcome all of us into the Obama camp when we still remember that you have basically said that we are fools. Are you going to then try to show us how Obama really was for all the things that Hillary was for and it will be kinda like voting for Hillary herself if we vote for Obama.

If it weren't such a serious issue and Hillary and Obama were members here and this were voting for moderators some something like that, do you honestly think that you could then come to me and ask me to vote for Obama now that Hilllary has didn't make the run off.

This is real politics, Hazel. This is the way the political game is played. Obama and Hillary themselves are not going to make any public statements they can't get out of later whether they get the nomination or feel a need to through their support to the other Democrat.


At the Democratic Convention if we use past history as a guide. The loser will be giving a big speech exclaiming what a great president the other one will make if elected. There is even a chance that one will nominate the other if the vote is already settled. Obama is just in the middle of being a politician as the rest of them. If a person makes it this far in a national election for president, they have to be a pretty damn good politician. They may or may not be a statesman as well.

I don't mind debating you if it is real debate. But grandstanding and trying to make fun of everyone that disagrees with you doesn't make you a great debater.