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Old 03-30-2008   #172 (permalink)
Zoe73
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Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
Zo, Of course fundraising is important to all campaigns. All the money in the world won't make Obama a better candidate. He can out spend her and its still close.



Your very own article contradicts what you are trying to say. The article explains exactly what I stated...that including all debts Hillary Clinton's campaign would still be in the black.
"It should be noted, however, that Hillary isn't obliged to repay the $5 million debt to herself. Nonetheless, even factoring in that, once you subtract the other debts her cash on hand number would be in the neighborhood of $3 million."
Read your own article. You were inaccurate in your previous post so I pointed that out. The superdelegate argument is all good...after Pennsylvania. Besides, Sen. Clinton is still out fundraising McCain. And already has funds put aside to begin that contest.
I had to drink a glass of wine to answer this one. Trinity, you are in over your head on what this means. It's not that "ooh she's thinking ahead already has money set aside for a primary out fundraising McCain. McCain doesn't have any debts. He's not still trying to fundraise for a primary. Hillary is trying to be competitive until July. It's not great that she has 21.5 million for a general election. It means she's hurting for donors. You can donate up to 2300 per person for each election. 2300 for a primary and another 2300 for a general election. So when you have people donating for a general election in a competitive race that Hillary is trying to compete with Obama - it's a clear indicator they cannot donate to her primary campaign.

Superdelegates pay attention to that. It means her supporters are already stretched out and she hasn't locked the nomination yet.

Obama isn't in the red and has 30 million to spend on a primary and that is the current race and he hasn't tapped out his campaign donators.

So for the primary race she really only raised 12 million and she spent say 20 million. Leaving her 8.7 million in debt. She is trying to keep up with Obama - he has 30 million for a primary. If I were making this shit up - Bill Clinton would not be asking for campaign donations to buy ad time in PA. Why? Because that is a primary race and they are out of Primary money and in the red.

read Bill's comments on it here:

From Bill, himself:

“The Obama campaign is already on the air with their first ad in Pennsylvania, putting their fundraising advantage to work,” Clinton writes in an email fundraising message on behalf of his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton. “They're going to spend every dollar they've got to end this race in Pennsylvania, and we can't let that happen.”
Clinton says his wife needs help to get on the air in Pennsylvania to match Obama’s spending advantage. ”In Texas and Ohio, your incredible support kept us competitive, and today this race is close thanks to what you did for Hillary,” Clinton writes.
”Now the Obama campaign is going to do everything they can to try to beat Hillary in Pennsylvania. They're going to try to outspend us 3-1 on the air -- and their first ads are already up and running,” he continues.


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Originally Posted by Trinity

But just to point this out...the article is biased. It probably has some truth to it.
Biased by whom? Fair enough you're daring me to find out the guy's source. I'll check the source. He mentioned the Federal Election Commission. Hang on. Found it...The disclosure of campaign. Oooh. A database...

I'll start with entering a candidate's name "Hillary"
Okay which race click on the drop down menu? "Presendential"
Okay which period? Let's start with February Monthly.
click sumbit.
"Hillary for President committee" Score! Found it.
Okay what do I click on? Loans? Nah. Outstanding Debts? Yep, that works. Click on line 12 Schedule D.

Holy shit. Travel, phone bills, Travel, Security, Food&Beverage, Phone bills, Phone bills, Phone bills, Printing.

Scroll to the bottom. There it is 7.5 million. Well they have the whole number I just abbreviated it.

Here I saved the link for this report on debts here (see for yourself)
Schedule D for Line #12


Okay but the article says she's 8.7 million in debt.

Well let's look at March Monthly (march isn't over, but maybe they have submitted it there).

Back to query page.

Yep there it is:

By March 20, 2008 her debts went up to 8.7 million
(again SCROLL to the bottom of the page on this link)
Schedule D for Line #12

Yep there it is at the bottom 8.7 million in debt.

So if there is any bias in that article it's because her campaign is reporting it that way.

You think it great that Hillary has money set aside for a general election.
No the reality is that they are trying to fund a primary run and want to let 10 more states vote and make the argument that superdelegates should give it to her. She needs money to continue a primary race, Trinity.

30 million in a month - 1/2 she cannot touch and has outstanding debts and she wants to be competitive in those remaining states. So really she's raised 12 million. McCain already has his nomination locked and the dems are still locked in a primary race so he doesn't need to raise 30 million. In Hillary's case she's only raised 12million. McCain has raised 11 million and has 8 million cash on hand and already buying ad time for a general election.

So your analysis that Hillary's in the black is incorrect.

If Bill begging for money for ads in PA isn't enough to sum that up for you. Then I'll just laugh it off to you being histrionic.

Hillary raised 35 million, but the spent 33 million to stay competitive w/ Obama's fundraising. Of the 33 million she has for cash on hand 21.5 million is for a general election that she cannot touch. So What it really mens that is that she raised 11.7 million for a primary campaign and when you subtract the 8.7 million in debt, she's left 3 million. She has 3 million and Obama has 30 million to spend on a primary. Do you get why Bill Clinton is begging for money for ad time? Do you get why it's a big deal if she is trying to convince Superdelegates to let her continue to campaign in a primary race and she is scraping for funds?

Obama doesn't have to return primary campaign donations that are leftover if by some injustice at the DNC doesn't get the nomination.

Why don't you just go to her website and give her a donation - apparently they really need the money.