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Old 12-22-2002   #16 (permalink)
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I don't blame you; I mean, who wouldn't be shocked that fundies protest funerals simply b/c the deceased is gay?
 
Old 12-29-2002   #17 (permalink)
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Finedessert: If you have any questions about aids, it might be of interest to you to read about someone that has made it her lifes work to build a Web site that has become the definitive information sourse on the disease.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...s%2Dcalifornia

Her Web site can be found at

http://www.aegis.org.

The Web site has over 7 million hits a year.


Grandpa
 
Old 01-09-2003   #18 (permalink)
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etheros: Hello I would like to offer a non mainstream view on the HIV theory , some may have come across it before .

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids.htm
http://www.actupsf.com/index.htm
http://aliveandwell-eugene.dreamhost.com/
http://www.whatisaids.com/
http://www.sumeria.net/aids.html
http://www.aliveandwell.org/
http://www.healsd.org/home.htm
http://www.garynull.com/Helpline/Per.../continuum.htm
http://home.thirdage.com/Health/drug...thiv/links.htm

These websites are all well run " dissendent" websites .
The AIDS Dissedents view is that *HIV is NOT responsible for AIDS , their view is that *either the retrovirus has never been properly isolated and does not exist, or they say that it does exist but is harmless.
Their views are that the tests are completly inaccurate , with false postives being created, a positive test may represent nothing more than cross-reactivity with the many non-HIV antibodies present in AIDS patients and those at risk.There *is *no gold standard test existing with testing varying from country to counrty, indeed you could be labelled positive by a test in one country and negative in a different one because the methods used.
They state *that main cause of death from being labelled as HIV is toxic pharmaceutical drugs , which try and replace a persons imune sytem and that the vast majority of long term survivors are those who refused the HIV drugs.

There view is that in the case of the first cases in the 80's in the gay community, the main courses of the condition where caused by multiple factors, high levels of lesure drug use , and regular immune suppressing treatments for *high levels of other sexualy transmitted diseases that where being spread.
I *myself believe that the social and pyscho spiritual pressures many gay and bisexual men where under during the period was also an important stress factor.
Other highly important *factors are discussed to , all of which lead to the immune sytem dysfunction of those who become ill .

They state that supposed HIV plague in Africa is caused by others health factors and misdiagonoses.
, nearly all HIV in africa is diagonsed with out any tests because of there expense and the shortage of medical resources.

I agree with them and I'm still doing my research and learning, so I wont be debating on this , I offer the information here because it will empower and actually save lives rather than endanger them.

When people first get on the HIV conveyor belt - tests - drugs - ill health - possibly *leading death from these drugs .
( although the toxicity of the most modern drugs has been reduced , it didn't look good to have all those people dying all the time with AZT) This information is often not around for them at the time , it was surpressed in the HIV organisation I volunteered for or sidelined.

People will disagree as this information can be shocking when first unveiled , and it takes time to assimilate the information , which some would like censored .

I've posted so that people can make up there own minds I really don't *have the time to debate it and I'm still on a learning curve, but I've heard enough to convince me that what new to be true intuitively orginally, is in fact firm solid reality .
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The bulk of dissendent views do not support unprotected sex because of the dangers of contracting other conditions, Finding out about the other sexually transmitted disease is now a concern of mine.

I was supposedly in a high risk group , but now I can see the whole picture and how drug companies and Governments have worked well together cause genocide in Africa an amongst the gay and bisexual community as well as others.

I don't always agree with all views presented on the sites but the with *majority of them I do agree.

My aim is to liberate and educate people so they don't become victims of genocide and sickening profitering.
 
Old 01-09-2003   #19 (permalink)
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kyle: Good grief!

This reminds me of a prominent doctor in India who continues to rally against the implementation of adding iodine to the nation's salt in order to eradicate goiters. He insists that the empirical data is insufficient. Meantime, people continue to suffer those enormous deformities.
 
Old 01-09-2003   #20 (permalink)
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etheros: *********************************************
Add iodine to india's water supply if there is an insuficency.
But that has nothing to do with my last posting full stop.
"Meantime, people continue to suffer those enormous deformities. "

Yes ! and if your interested in stopping those deformoties with relation to AIDS deaths then you better wise up to the suppressed true reality of the situation .

As I say read before you comment .

Dissendents include Nobel prize winning scientist Peter Duesburg and some of the scientists who where the first to claim that HIV was the cause of AIDS and who have since changed there minds and become dissendents.

Maybe *just go a long with the silent conspiracy of being afraid to challenge what seems lack fact courtsey of glaxo welcomes and others companies propoganda and scientific hijacking of the issue.

I urge everyone to visit the sites virus myth first and take the "tour " which gives the background to the counter HIV dissendent argument.

Good Grief indeed *???

Thats all I have to say, read, learn, educate and enlighten, agree or disagree it's an individual thing .

Ones things for certain I myself as an individual will never take part in any of the false and inaccurate unscientific HIV testing or any future proposed vaccination policies.

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Old 02-03-2003   #21 (permalink)
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ORCABOMBER: So, to summarise, okay, I follow you along the idea of AIDS not being spread by a virus and being the cause of the drugs, but then are you worried about catching HIV or do you just treat it "like the cold, it'll go away"?
 
Old 04-11-2003   #22 (permalink)
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Javierdude22: [quote author=DeeBlackthorne link=board=health;num=1035878542;start=0#2 date=12/16/02 at 17:20:09]Thankfully I have done low-risk behaviors -- risk nonetheless, but nothing like barebacking or swallowing semen, etc. -- and I feel pretty safe in my status. *I won't lie. *I bet I'm not the only guy out there who's scared of getting tested; it's a necessity, yes, but it's still a scary thought. *I know people can be rather foolish and risky, thinking that everything will magically work out fine and there's nothing to fear. *But I know better. *And still, I'm quite the scared guy inside...

I hope I see the day when the epidemic is successfully tackled. *Right now, it's just slightly contained.





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I just started reading this topic, and totally feel the same way...

I am bisexual...struggling like hell with it...have only had sex w 2 guys and a few girls. With all i did it safe except the 2nd guy...cause well...we kept on dating, so after a while no raincoat. Im still dating him and things are great....but in these past months ive been scared like hell for any kinda disease, cause ive always had this thing in my head where i thought youd catch it instantly.

Of course its not like that, and i feel pretty safe with the whole situation now, especially since ive only had sex without protection with one person. He was tested just be4 i met him, so that was cool.

Still i feel i should get tested as well, just cause ya never know. And given my history in the number of people ive slept with the chences of me having something would probably be very slim (see how im trying to upease myself...geez....) anyway....but still....i wont go.....scared shitless

In the meantime i just hope the train will have passed me by i guess....

J
 
Old 04-11-2003   #23 (permalink)
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javier..

dude, i engage in very low-risk sex with wimmen, and i get an hiv test every month.

i grew up outside nyc in the 1990's and i started getting tested in high school...did i need to? nah, but it was cool to do what da older bros did and to say that i was hiv-. by the time, i really got active sexually; everyone in the city would tell you that they were hiv -/+ before they told you their name. this was useful info because it increased the chance you might score.

hiv tests are for everyone.

jay
 
Old 04-11-2003   #24 (permalink)
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Well, etheros, there's a trick to "alternative AIDS theories". You see, if these theories of it being made in a lab were true, then we'd likely see a lot more HIV cases on Indian reservations. (You know, where they generally test any new military technology? In fact, NATO uses the Cree reserve as a bombing range.) Yet the rate of AIDS for Indians is .1% for men, .02% for women, far less than the national average of .2% for men, .1% for women. (Source: AVERT) Why? Because 1) we practice an isolation ethic, 2) we don't practice circumcision, and 3) we have taboos against the more unsafe sexual practices (sex while menstruating, infected with something, etc.)

[quote author=etheros link=board=health;num=1035878542;start=12#19 date=01/09/03 at 1025]*********************************************
Add iodine to india's water supply if there is an insuficency.
But that has nothing to do with my last posting full stop.
"Meantime, people continue to suffer those enormous deformities. "

Yes ! and if your interested in stopping those deformoties with relation to AIDS deaths then you better wise up to the suppressed Â*true reality of the situation .

As I say read before you comment .

Dissendents include Nobel prize winning scientist Peter Duesburg and some of the scientists who where the first to claim that HIV was the cause of AIDS and who have since changed there minds and become dissendents.

Maybe ?just go a long with the silent conspiracy of being afraid to challenge what seems lack fact courtsey of glaxo welcomes and others companies propoganda and scientific hijacking of the issue.

I urge everyone to visit the sites virus myth first and take the "tour " which gives the background to the counter HIV dissendent argument.

Good Grief indeed ????

Thats all I have to say, read, learn, educate and enlighten, agree or disagree it's an individual thing .

Ones things for certain I myself as an individual will never take part in any of the false and inaccurate unscientific HIV testing or any future proposed vaccination policies.

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