Faceking's thread opener is more jaded than disapproving from my perspective. O'bama has impeccable public speaking skills. I'd buy into the change he speaks of, but it's a new illusion of smoke and mirrors we've probably only witnessed in JFK, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

I really want to know what O'bama's turn around on the economy will be. It's really too late to turn back the clock on the mortgage lending problem. All the livestock got out of the barn and corral when inflation on home prices doubled, tripled and eventually quadrupled from the house flipping in many markets. The Fed lowers it's forecast, stocks drop (then recover) and fuel prices for a barrel of oil jump. This economy is based on one or the other taking up the slack for the bad economic news when one falters for a day. It's almost hillarious, that's if it didn't hurt so much to fill your vehicle with a tank of gas, they issue bad news economically and stocks gain overall and fuel inflates for higher profits. I personally don't see Clinton's plan either, nor McCain's on these facts. When you see Detroit closing plants & laying off, then reworking a deal with the UAW that lowers wages and makes many job cuts permanent for future contracts. America can only continue to have it's share of @ssholes that continue to soak the majority of us to feed the wealthiest with record profits.

And ending war(s), well that'll get contractors out of work to come back to Wal-Mart payscales and McJobs (McDonald's careers). I don't have any/the solutions myself, but then again, I'm not the one going to collect $ 400K and the burden of producing. So my skepticism, no matter how jaded or misconstrued as negativity towards any given candidate or lot of candidates is based/founded in reality. In the end we will get 4 years of one of these candidates and in the grand scheme of it all, it won't matter which one we get. We'll be out $ 400K a year, there will be those that did favors that reap the benefits of those favors and we will foot the bill for a deeper, abysmally, dismal deficit.