Fake Unity at the Dem Convention & Rethinking the Nominee

~ 18,000,000 votes in a primary isn't exactly weak; its a mandate.

Kobe Bryant's defense: "If the dick don't fit, you must acquit"

Evidently you forgot the primary, Hillary Clinton got more votes than Obama. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. And Obama did not secure the Nomination by pledged delegates. The TIE required superdelegates to decide the tiebreaker and the DNC leadership forgot its democratic principles when it overlooked the unfairness in the caucuses and the farce of the RBC meeting where primary results were fabricated, Obama was award delegates that by rules could only go to Uncommitted and Obama was awarded delegates he did not win belonging to Hillary Clinton.

Obama did not allow a roll call vote to show that he won and was the undisputed Nominee...instead he demanded fake unity at the Democratic Convention. Obama ran from a fight like a wimp.

Obama has no mandate. Obama was selected not elected. Obama has the weakest win in history. Obama has no validity or honor and he certainly has no mandate. lol

Blah, blah, blah... you lost; get over it. As for the convention, I saw the roll-call - with my own eyes and watched Hillary put Obama over the top =)

Kobe Bryant's defense: "If the dick don't fit, you must acquit"

LoL. You don't know what you are talking about. There was no real roll call. Obama was too afraid to have one. Obama demanded fake unity and that's what he got.

Whoopity-doo! The sum total of all of your arguments is about a 1 oz. spitball. You're really out of the mainstream in every way. Just go vote for McCain or write in Hillary and move on. lol It doesn't matter to the other 36,000,000 base dems that will cast their vote for Barack.

Kobe Bryant's defense: "If the dick don't fit, you must acquit"

The arguments are being made by more than me and the arguments are resonating. McCain/Palin has Obama completely floundering.


Ummm...no. You and Obama only wish that were true.

Let's see, how many anti Obama threads have you started lately? One, five, 10, 25 or 50?

Do they all have the same basic message? Interesting reading to find out.

We all have a right to state our position even if it makes us look like a fool.

But how many threads on the very same subject does it take to spam the board?

The title of this thread is about fake unity at the Democratic Convention. But your latest posts are about Palin vs. Obama's qualifications.

Really, don't you think you need to give it a rest?

How well qualified Obama is to be President compared to Hillary is indeed a serious question. No doubt in my mind it was Hillary.

But claiming that Palin has the deep experience and maturity that someone like Biden has is a real stretch. Obama may or may not be qualified to be president. I think he is because I trust his judgment. A person with good judgment will have the best advisors and will rise to the ocassion.

Palin clearly shows her beliefs and background is in local politics and in fundamnetal religion. Palin's religous views scare the hell out of me. She is a fundamentalist. I am a very devout practicing Christian, but I detest haviing any religious fundamentalists in positions of government leadership. They see it as THEIR way or the highway.

If Palin would rather have her daughter end up pregnant than use birth control, that is her business. I'll leave that to Palin as a family matter. But she has no right to make everyone else go along with it by opposing any kind of birth control for teens. I in no way am critcising the daughter. She herself is off limits as far as I am concerned. Obama said the same thing himself. But her mother's judgment about teens and sex is way off where the real world is and has been since the beginning of time. Any survey of teens will show that the percentage of teens who have lost thier virginity is above half and approaching 80 to 90 percent by age 18.

It is issues like this that scare the hell out of me about Palin, not just the fact that she only has been govenor for two years. That part I can handle.

Palin isn't qualified to be president because she can't or won't be president of ALL the people just those who believe like her. For that reason, Palin is totally unqualified to be President of the United States.

What about people and teens having the right to make choices themselves? Obama is for that. Not Palln, she wants the government which has the fundeamental religous right in charge making all moral and religious decisions.

I detest the woman and where she wants to take our nation. She is far worse than McCain. Why is she on the ticket? To make the religious fundamentalists happy here in America. To hell with the rest of us. McCain is assuming that he isn't going to die in office. Otherwise, I don't think he would have put her on the ticket, unless of couse, she has already agreed to let the Bush advisors run the country on economic and foreign affairs and just be a figurehead except for her fight against abortion and birth control.

Suppose I decided that life begin even in the sperm, so it would not only against the law, but it would be a felon for boys and men to have wet dreams or to jack off. Now I decide to run for the presidency and want to apoint only judges that will rule that it is a felony for a guy to have a wet dream or to jack off. Rediculous you say? Not if it is a Religous Belief. Religous beliefs don't have to be confirmed in the science lab. They are what they are beliefs. They may be correct or our beliefs may be full of it, but they are still beliefs.

Suppose I decided that the arm, the uteruous, part of the colon was an part of the human body and can't be removed because it would cause the death of human cells. So a woman with uterine cancer would be barred from having surgery because it would be killing part of her body?

All Obama is for is free choice. Let each person's conscience along with their doctor and minister if they have one make personal moral or religous decisions without the government's interference.

Not Palin, she wants the government directly involved in telling your doctor what you can and can't do. No birth control and no abortions. What is next to outlaw?

My email address is freddie53lpsg@live.com.
I check this address about every other day when I am at home. My pm box is presently full and I haven't cleaned it out yet. I can't read or send pm messages to anyone at this time. If you want to say hello for now e-mail is the way.

Freddie,

Let me first of all say that I should not have to address this type of attack and censorship by a moderator on this board.

I have not violated any rules of the TOS and I have provided accurate and documented information here. I've followed the unwritten rules of playing fair and of decency. Just because I do not share your views or opinions that does not mean you have the right to attack me, harrass me or my views.

There is no limit to what I can post. I've posted in the correct section. Your insulting questioning of how many posts I make regarding any subject is unwarranted if I am following rules of the TOS. I've had to put up with members on this site who posted any and everything thing they wished to say because of freedom speech and I have a right to expect that to be afforded to me as well.

Same basic message? There are numerous threads on the experience of Gov. Sarah Palin and yet because you agree with their basic message you chose to attack me. Whether my threads were started by me or another member they are just as fair and reasonable as the other threads on this board.

Please don't call me a fool...insinuating or otherwise.

I have not spammed anything. Again posting in the newly formed politics section is not a violation of anything and multiple posts on the topic of a section is not spamming. Your accusation is unwarranted.

The title of this thread is Fake Unity at the Convention however, my latest posts are not about Palin vs. Obama's qualifications. The latest posts in this thread are about there being no true Roll Call Vote at the Democratic Convention and Fake Unity.

No. I do not agree with you. I don't need to stop posting information and my opinions on here. The Anti-Palin posters, Anti-McCain posters, the Anti-Hillary Clinton posters don't have to give it a rest. Just because you and several other members are Obama supporters does not mean that I can't voice my views on this election here. And they are not just my views!

I posted an AP Poll that shows McCain/Palin beat Obama on Experience. I posted an Los Angeles Times article on DisUnity at the Democratic Convention. I posted a New York Times article on Fundraising Woes for Obama.

These views are shared by many Americans and are acknowledged by journalistic coverage of what is actually happening in this election. You are attempting to stifle views you don't agree with and impose limits on me that are in no way fair.

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THERE are NO FUNDRAISING woes for Obama. For the month of August he raised 66 million dollars..........September will be even better as the Palin nomination has galvanized the democratic base.....And i'm afraid you are JUST WRONG.......Obama won the popular votes(unless you use some sort of metric that includes a bunch if"If you don't counts)
And in a previous post you disputed someone who said te ONLY thing you post are anti obama posts. You were right. Of 29PAGES of posts, EXACTLY 2 are not related to politics.

Makin' Sexy Happen!

"Presidents place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick.

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You are skirting the TOS at best Trinity, but you are a sad sack for being a Republican operative in disguise as a Hillary supporter. If you are not a Republican operative... you are an even bigger sad sack for doing their work without getting paid.

Freddie didn't insinuate that you are a fool, his eloquent post clearly illustrated that you are.

Yes, my Marvin Gaye avatar was sketched by yours truly.

TheBomb

Let me guess... you're going to do it anyway?

The stuff you quote is out of the mainstream, militant, ultra-feminist, conspiratory, and skewed.

Turnabout is fair play.

Technically, this is a private board and some memberships have a cost associated with them. While free-speech is observed here, generally speaking, moderators are censors by definition.... I think you get the picture.

Go back more than one week. The sum total of EVERY ONE of your posts are pathetic, rhetorical attacks on one man that you consequently do not support. What in the hell did he do to you? Everyone here knows how you feel about Obama, so what is left to say? (Pardon the pun)

I'm biting my tongue....

You have posted 74 times where you mention Obama by name. I didn't even count the posts directed at him by reference.

Again, 2 ruffled feathers in the largest political party of the United States doesn't constitute a story. It could barely be called an Op Ed.

I have not seen any "Anti" anyone other than you. Most people pump their candidates but it is not seen as anti-anything. I'm not anti-Hillary or Palin or McCain. I'm just very excited about Obama... I think what separates you from the rest is how blatantly negative you are. Who are you mad at?

Your debate misses the point though. Obama is well financed. He'll spend 3 times more than McCain will over the next months. Obama has raised more money during this election season that anyone in US history. To say that Obama is experiencing woes of any sort demonstrates your belief in opinions that are not closely connected with the campaign. How about the $8M raised the night Palin was announced? Lethargic? I think not.

Experience doesn't matter this election. Bush has more experience than all of the candidates combined and look where that got us.


Many Americans... like, 10 or 100? Or is it millions? So far, you are the only one I know of (and the blogger you quote each time). Again, key on what a MODERATOR is.

So you are clear; At a forum, a moderator is someone entrusted by the administrator to “moderate” discussions within the guidelines. I'm fairly certain moderators know the TOS better than anyone.

So, the question remains; you have not through ANY POST connected why you are here. You only post political rhetoric. No reasonable person could conclude that your presence here has anything to do with Large Penises. You don't chat, you don't post anywhere but in Political. If you don't think you are getting a fair shake here, don't you think you could find peace on TownHall or DailyKOS? Those folks love a fight... and I'm sure they would welcome you.

I don't care if you stay or go. I actually enjoy sparring with you... but it would be cool if you could say something we haven't heard 10,000 times already.

Kobe Bryant's defense: "If the dick don't fit, you must acquit"

I agree, Hillary Clinton was most qualified to be President.

This isn't Palin vs. Biden. This election is McCain vs. Obama. Even if you are person who believes that Palin could have to take over for McCain, it's still Palin vs. Obama. And Palin is more experienced than Obama.

I don't trust Obama's judgment. He stands for nothing but getting elected. Just as Obama would have the best advisors so will Gov. Sarah Palin and they will rise to the occassion.

Palin's religious background doesn't scare me, in fact I either share many of her religious views or understand them. I am glad that a devout christian woman will be in power. I believe women bring a very different kind of wisdom from men that is extremely useful. Regardless of religion if someone gets into the White House, it is fundamentally "Their way or the highway." That is why this election is so important. I would rather have a woman who prays and reverances God, stands for something than someone who changes his positions at every turn to get elected, and who never really knew the man who brought him to Christ, he disavowed and who's tutelage he was under for 20 years but he never heard the basic tenets of the congregation and never made an effort to change it but wants to sell himself as an agent of change.

No parent would rather have their daughter end up pregnant than use birth control.

If the daughter obviously went against her religious upbringing to have premarital sex, who is to say she wasn't using birth control? What if the condom broke? What if she forgot to take her birth control pill? What if she just forgot the condom just once...just like teens who have comprehensive sex education and who have birth control readily available to them. You don't know what happened in the daughter's situation and you are making assumptions.

Besides the fact...Gov. Sarah Palin is not against birth control.

She is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization. - Time Magazine

Abstinence Education vs. Sex Ed and Clinics that hand out contraceptives at school. This a debate, but regardless what side you are on there will be teens who find themselves pregnant and it cannot be proven in each case Abstinence Education and the absence of contraceptives caused the pregnancy without question.

In contrast, I'm comforted by Palin's support of abstinence teaching...I believe that comprehensive sexual development education which includes abstinence is probably closer to center for a political stance, but I fully support her getting there...more than likely with the understanding of her daughter's pregancy.

Not true on Palin only being the leader of those who only believe like her:

In 2006 while running for governor, she said she would support a ballot initiative that denied benefits to same-sex couples, but her first veto as governor shot down such a bill. (Palin said she vetoed it because the Alaska Supreme Court deemed it unconstitutional, not because she supports gay-marriage rights.) - Time Magazine

I don't believe that. I believe Palin holds strong religious belief and possesses strong moral integrity that will serve her well.

Many women are pro-life. Many men are pro-life. Gov. Palin is not against birth control.

I believe that belittles the issue of abortion and is ridiculous. Gov. Palin is making her stance on abortion and other issues known. This "jack off" stuff is just ridiculous fodder. Gov. Palin is Pro-life period, people know that and are supporting her candidacy.

This also has nothing to do with the discussion.

Obama is Pro-Choice. Obama's stance on women's reproductive rights is shady at best. He refused to vote on certain issues. He lied out the born alive bill and his position and the bill itself. Obama was no where on the issue of DOH changing the definition of birth control, while Sen. Hillary Clinton was fighting for women's reproductive rights. I do not trust what Barack Obama will do given power. Obama is for Obama. Barack Obama is only trying to get elected. I am not a one issue voter. I won't vote for any candidate simply because they are Pro-life or Pro-Choice.

Palin is Pro-life.

"I am pro-life. With the exception of a doctor’s determination that the mother’s life would end if the pregnancy continued. I believe that no matter what mistakes we make as a society, we cannot condone ending an innocent’s life," - Politico

Palin believes a doctor can make the determination to terminate a pregnancy to save the mother's life. Palin is not against birth control.

Palin believes in teaching and encouraging abstinence and in parental consent for a child or a teen to have an abortion:

When an Alaska court last year overturned the state's law mandating parental consent for minors to have abortions, Palin criticized the ruling and suggested parental consent be instituted by constitutional amendment. - Politico

There are many Americans who agree with her. There are many who agree with her in part. And there are those who disagree with her on this issue who will still support her because they aren't one issue voters.

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Palin is a rightwing , tongues speaking, ANTI choice, creationism spewing, book banning, lying, gun toting, clueless mess......

Makin' Sexy Happen!

"Presidents place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick.

Obama has been touting numbers like that for months. It's looks good to say The Obama Campaign is hauling in funds but the DNC is not keeping pace with the RNC.

Byron York quotes the campaign as having $77 million cash on hand after August. That sounds impressive, but they had almost $66 million at the end of July. They had a burn rate of over 80%, which explains why the campaign may have seemed desperate to the New York Times. In order to make this decision work for Obama, they have to do better than $66 million a month if they want to cover the cost of fundraising as well as make up for the deficit between the DNC and the RNC.

While John McCain can only spend $84 million over the next two months after accepting that much from the public-financing system, it doesn’t cost him a dime to get it. The Obama campaign’s burn rate will be critical in determining whether he’s actually raising enough money to keep him ahead of McCain. If it costs him more than $20 million to raise that money, it’s essentially a wash — and the burn rate at Team O has been much higher than 30%. Their cash-on-hand numbers will probably tell a different story, as Obama would have to almost double McCain’s $84 million over the next two months just to stay even. - Hot Air

That is your opinion. You get to post yours and I get to post mine.

No, why don't you spell it out?

My posts are valid posts with accurate information regarding this election just like the other posts put up in here about Gov. Palin.


And? Obama is running for President of the United States of America. I'm posting political posts regarding an election.

You are in error. The thread regarding Fake Unity is an article in the LA Times and it is not an Op Ed.

That is your opinion. I believe you many others were and are very Anti-Hillary and are Anti-Palin. You were extremely nasty, vulgar and yep negative.

Read the article and see above.

Experience always matters. Everybody who has held a position isn't always the right person for the job, that doesn't mean the American people throw experience and qualifications to hold the highest office in the land out the window.


By the polls, more than who support Obama. And by previous polls just as many that support Obama. And even if it was 1/3 you don't have a right to tell me what to do or say.

You made no point. I haven't violated anything.

You don't know what you are talking about. And you certainly don't tell me what to do or where to go. If you think intimidation will somehow hurt my feelings, you are gravely mistaken. It is a matter of principle. You have your political opinions and I have mine.

Please. As I stated before there are numerous threads on Palin's experience...you have no problem with that. There are numerous threads Anti-Palin threads. You post anything you want so stop whining when someone with an opposing view posts.

I am posting new information. The AP Poll is new. All the articles are new. You simply can't deal with any post that isn't pro-Obama. You don't have a right to stifle the opposing view. We all get to post our views.

So much for the NYT article and Obama woes....
Obama raises $66 million in August - First Read - msnbc.com

As I said... no money problems @ OHB HQ.

Kobe Bryant's defense: "If the dick don't fit, you must acquit"