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Originally Posted by LoneWolf9 One thing puzzles me, though, I have "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" and "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone". They are identical except for the title. I suspect "Sorcerer's Stone"

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Old 09-07-2008   #16 (permalink)
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One thing puzzles me, though, I have "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" and "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone". They are identical except for the title. I suspect "Sorcerer's Stone" came out first, but when Christian parents were outraged by the evil implications of sorcery, the producers quickly changed the title to something more lucrative.
Typical American-centric thinking.

The books came out in England first. They are written by an English author. They are set in England. And Philosopher is the English title, where Sorceror is the American one. Philosopher came first.

The reason it was changed to Sorceror for the American market is because they assumed Americans were simply too stupid to know what a philosopher was.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #17 (permalink)
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Typical American-centric thinking.

The books came out in England first. They are written by an English author. They are set in England. And Philosopher is the English title, where Sorceror is the American one. Philosopher came first.

The reason it was changed to Sorceror for the American market is because they assumed Americans were simply too stupid to know what a philosopher was.
And for anyone that thinks that's US bashing, the wording may be a little harsh - but it's actually true - he he. Although it is arguable that Hogwarts is in Scotland - JKR although English wrote the books in a cafe in Edinburgh - and the architecture is definitely more Scots than English.

The dust jackets on the US versions were always better though.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #18 (permalink)
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With the pic saying Drako at the bottom and it looking like the pic could come from a movie and knowing Drako is a large part of the up and coming Blood Prince title, could this pic possibly be from the movie coming out in july of 2009. Can anyone answer a question about Drako's father. Why wouldn't Harry have told people that Drako's father was present in the cemetery when his friend was killed. And was Drako's father killed in that battle at the end of the 5th movie.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #19 (permalink)
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Read the books Deno. All your questions will be answered.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #20 (permalink)
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"They are set in England. And Philosopher is the English title, where Sorceror is the American one. Philosopher came first.

The reason it was changed to Sorceror for the American market is because they assumed Americans were simply too stupid to know what a philosopher was."

lvsexy808

Thank you for explaining this. However, both of my "Philosopher" and "Sorcerer" videos are on VHS (I have Potter on DVD also) using the NTSC system, not PAL. Therefore they are both for the North American market.

I've always believed (until now) that my "Sorcerer" version was a rarity, probably collectable. It does seem now that the "Philosopher" is probably the rare one, because an internet search confirmed that both the book and film were titled "Philosopher" in the UK, and "Sorcerer" in the US. I hate being confused by the marketing of a kid's fairy tale.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #21 (permalink)
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With the pic saying Drako at the bottom and it looking like the pic could come from a movie and knowing Drako is a large part of the up and coming Blood Prince title, could this pic possibly be from the movie coming out in july of 2009...
Deno, the pic looks to me like slash art. If you're not familiar with slash fiction, it's a form of fan fiction that depicts romantic and/or sexual relationships between male characters, such as Kirk/Spock from Star Trek, Clark/Lex from Smallville, and Harry/Draco from Harry Potter.

Slash fiction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is also slash art, which exists in every style there is: paintings, drawings, cartoons, pen & ink, etc. One style of slash art is to take real images of the actors and then use Photoshop to combine them with erotic or porno photos, so that you have what looks like a pic of the two characters naked in bed together.

I don't want to post any pics or links of Harry Potter slash, because inevitably it will include some underage images, but you can search around. There's a Draco/Harry slideshow on YouTube which is a good example of what I'm talking about. There was even one video on YouTube that was edited to look like Harry was giving Draco a blowjob.

Here are some examples of Lord of the Rings slash art:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1...las005n5aw.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5...olas0035ex.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8231/legolas5vp.jpg
 
Old 09-07-2008   #22 (permalink)
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Read the books Deno. All your questions will be answered.
I don't have any interest in read a book thank you.

Tom Felton2.jpg an additional tom felton photo looks real it seems to show he's not as hot as that other pic
 
Old 09-07-2008   #23 (permalink)
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He's also freakishly tall now. I think the only other actor who really shot up to be as tall is the dude who plays Dean Thomas aka Harry's token black room mate.

I think his looks peaked though in POA but went downhill from there personally. But I think Matthew Lewis aka Neville has to be the one who surprised me the most at how good looking he has become. Check out the photo of him with the cast from the OOTP.

I feel so sorry for Dan though. He always looks so short.
lol...i feel so close to Dan right now. i'm also a short dude (5'6 at the most) and know how it feels to have everyone else shoot and and become taller than you. He's a cutie though.

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I don't have any interest in read a book thank you.
well, Deno, it's actually a great series to read. anyways, Draco's dad, Lucius did not die at the end...I believe he was taken to Azkaban. I can't remember. You can always go on wikipedia for more info.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #24 (permalink)
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lol...i feel so close to Dan right now. i'm also a short dude (5'6 at the most) and know how it feels to have everyone else shoot and and become taller than you. He's a cutie though.
I love short dudes! For me, tall is generally a turnoff.

There was a pic of Felton in the recent Entertainment Weekly feature on the new HP flick (Fall Movie Preview issue, before HP was moved to next summer) where he appeared to have a nice bulge.

Tom and Dan have definitely matured into nice looking guys. IMO, Rupert has gone the other direction.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #25 (permalink)
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Philosopher's Stone was the name of the book in england the title was changed for the american market..
 
Old 09-07-2008   #26 (permalink)
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Did you know Robert Pattinson is gonna be Edward Cullen in Twilight ?
He actually looks like a vampier, even without make up.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #27 (permalink)
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Philosopher's Stone is UK title, Sorcerer's Stone US title. The US book publisher Scholastic thought US kids would not understand PS and forced JKR to change it.
 
Old 09-07-2008   #28 (permalink)
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Philosopher's Stone is UK title, Sorcerer's Stone US title. The US book publisher Scholastic thought US kids would not understand PS and forced JKR to change it.
Yes, and it was a bad decision. Rowling didn't make up the philosopher's stone; nor did she make up the character of Nicholas Flamel, the creator of the philosopher's stone. Real life alchemists wrote about the philosopher's stone and spent their lives trying to create it.

Philosopher's stone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nicolas Flamel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There's no such thing as a "sorcerer's stone" in magical or alchemical history or literature. But you can find the term "philosopher's stone" in any decent dictionary. Alas, rather than taking the opportunity to teach kids something, Scholastic decides to arbitrarily change it to something with more of a ring of familiarity.
 
Old 09-08-2008   #29 (permalink)
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Although it is arguable that Hogwarts is in Scotland - JKR although English wrote the books in a cafe in Edinburgh - and the architecture is definitely more Scots than English.
Actually yes, that's true, i agree with you there.

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It does seem now that the "Philosopher" is probably the rare one.
Well, yeah, that's probably inevitable, simply because there are more people in America than there are in the UK. That's how America always gets it way, just more of them. Also why it's harder to persuade them to do anything sensible.

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Rowling didn't make up the philosopher's stone; nor did she make up the character of Nicholas Flamel, the creator of the philosopher's stone. Real life alchemists wrote about the philosopher's stone and spent their lives trying to create it.
I have a witch friend who says that a surprising amount of the magical terminology in the Harry Potter series is actually quite accurate.
 
Old 09-08-2008   #30 (permalink)
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I have a witch friend who says that a surprising amount of the magical terminology in the Harry Potter series is actually quite accurate.
Yes and no. There isn't much in Harry Potter that bears any resemblance whatsoever to contemporary witchcraft (or "Wicca"), and most of the spells and potions come from Rowling's own imagination. At the same time, Rowling is a well-educated woman and clearly did some research while writing her books. She seems well-versed in mythology, folklore, classical literature, alchemy, etc.

Some time ago I was reading something on the Harry Potter universe--probably on the Web somewhere--which detailed which elements of the story were Rowling's original ideas, and which were from other sources like mythology and classical literature. As I recall, there was plenty of both. But even when she borrows an idea, like the philosopher's stone, like werewolves and shapeshifters, they are fully integrated into the universe she has created.

Now, to get this thread back on track, here's a YouTube clip of Tom Felton reacting to the news that Dumbledore is gay.

YouTube - Tom Felton about Dumbledore's outing
 

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