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Originally Posted by transformer_99 FWIW, Giuliani made statements on Face the Nation regarding Palin: Giuliani: Palin More Qualified Than Obama, Says As Mayor Of Small Alaska Town Palin Has Had To Make Decisions Rather Than

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Old 09-01-2008   #226 (permalink)
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FWIW, Giuliani made statements on Face the Nation regarding Palin:

Giuliani: Palin More Qualified Than Obama, Says As Mayor Of Small Alaska Town Palin Has Had To Make Decisions Rather Than Speeches - CBS News

The knock on Palin will always be because it's "only" Alaska as Governess, small town mayoral experience. True, but Obama himself doesn't have experience like this and if being a social worker out of college for the inner city carries the weight it does in qualifying him to be President (along with his congressional service), then there are a lot of us that could probably be President ?

To me, Palin's corruption busting within her own party, that might be just because she was privy to what was going on and she was backed into a corner because she wasn't doing that well ? It's one thing to take on the establishment as that as the cause. Yet another to use "dirt", because it's not working out so well because of the opportunity she was placed in. To me it's similar to the employee targeted for layoff or firing, using whatever leverage they can to impede the process or broker the best negotiation for the outing.

I agree with Rudy's comment. Palin is in fact, more experienced than Obama... not by much. But his whole platform is pretty much what he says he will do, and nothing and what he'd done (or lack thereof).

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Old 09-01-2008   #227 (permalink)
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Did ya'll just see Palin's 17 yr old daughter is pregnant.....
In light of my last post, this hits the news. The Republicans are out Democrating the Democrats at this stage. Although what the daughter and Palin family has done is none of my business. I don't approve of this message. It sends the wrong message to teens about teen pregnancy.
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Old 09-01-2008   #228 (permalink)
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Just now thinking... this could help Palin. Shows she's more and more like many American families. Also, she can name drop the term "grandmother", and be excited about it. Helps her image with the older voting population, that she's not some young PTA mom, but a sliver of matriarchal.

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Old 09-01-2008   #229 (permalink)
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In light of my last post, this hits the news. The Republicans are out Democrating the Democrats at this stage. Although what the daughter and Palin family has done is none of my business. I don't approve of this message. It sends the wrong message to teens about teen pregnancy.
It sets an example.... whether right or wrong... it's the old fashioned... you get knocked up, then you keep it, and you get married.

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Old 09-01-2008   #230 (permalink)
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Old 09-01-2008   #231 (permalink)
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Faceking, those rationalizations are like in baseball, trying to stretch a single into a double. Anyway you slice it, the hitter/baserunner is out at 2nd base. It's a base running error and it hurts the team. This is piling on issues that simply are already overwhelming this nation. The down's syndrome child, how productive a citizen is that going to make down the road ? Unwanted teen pregnancy, yeah they're 2 for 2 on hitting the rest of us in the face with a sack of bricks. I doubt this puts a face on this, a spin that they are human, like the rest of us. I for one am the last one that is anything like this, this is not parenting by committee, because in every case, special concessions are made for teen pregnancies to succeed, yet most are dismal failures. For the few Obama's and Phelps where eventually the father will bail on the relationship, there are far more welfare cases. I'm tired/exhausted of lowering the bar for these types, while the rest of us that are playing by the rules and getting into a position of having families responsibly have the bar raised, we have to become more productive simply because there are too many clingers dragging us down.

How far removed from this is the Edwards infidelity and that child ? Every voter and worker in America really needs to assess this for themselves, but spun one way or another, I feel like I'm having this child, yet I wasn't the one having any of the fun in the backseat of that car. And yes, the same question could be asked about my parents choosing to have me or any of my other siblings. The fact is my parents weren't 17 and in high school, quite the contrary, both were working and had careers and that was way back in the day, old fashioned or not. We make people own a car over financial responsibility, yet parenthood is another story.

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Old 09-01-2008   #232 (permalink)
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I thought this was pretty funny...Tale of the Tape Between Palin and Obama

Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama | AUDACITY OF TRUTH | Obama Lies | ObamaLies.com | OBAMA LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES


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Old 09-01-2008   #233 (permalink)
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How will she address questions about her extremely conservative views on abortion and, worse yet creationist indoctrination?
She simply won't stress them and the 'liberal media' will let her get away with it (aka Saddam and WMD's). They will be framed in a way that they don't seem clearly out of whack with the general public and science. Bush et al came up with a nice new doublespeak term 'Intelligent Design' to reframe the debate on evolution. Nothing but a code word to the creationists that the president was on their side.

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Old 09-01-2008   #234 (permalink)
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This woman is scary...

She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

Palin is a Pentecostal....i.e. evangelical

Cant be more far right than that.
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Old 09-01-2008   #235 (permalink)
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This woman is scary...

She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

Palin is a Pentecostal....i.e. evangelical

Cant be more far right than that.

She does KNOW about international relations because....(at 1:50)

John McCain Chooses a Running Mate | The Daily Show | Comedy Central

Hilarious and ONLY on Fox...YOU decide.

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Old 09-01-2008   #236 (permalink)
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This woman is scary...

She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

Palin is a Pentecostal....i.e. evangelical

Cant be more far right than that.

sorry radical...i have to disagree with you there...personally, i found this post about her rather enlightening, and it does buck those things that you said about her above to some degree...

it was written by Larry Johnson, Clinton supporter...

the article was entitled "Trying to Make Palin Batshit Crazy"


Some good friends on the Democratic side of the ledger have warned me to stand down on Palin because she is a rightwing whacko. I’ve asked for evidence and here is what they are providing. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will respect my friends on the left regardless, but I don’t think the following constitutes rightwing crazy. Creationism–My friends wrote me that Palin is a “creationist.” Normally that means someone who does not want evolution taught and insists that the world was created in six days (God rested on the 7th). Here’s what the nut Palin said:
In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:
“I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.
Damn. What’s wrong with her? She hasn’t used her position as Governor to force her religious views on other Alaskans. Yep, that’s a dangerous rightwinger if you ask me.
Abortion–At the final debate on November 2, 2006 in the Governor’s race in Alaska, the question of abortion came up according to the A.P.:
The candidates were pressed on their stances on abortion, and were even asked what they would do if their own daughters were raped and became pregnant.
Palin said she would support abortion only if the mother’s life was in danger. When it came to her daughter, she said: “I would choose life.”
I suspect Palin’s position is far more conservative than most of Hillary Clinton’s supporters. As Governor she has appointed a man to the judiciary who reportedly favors parental notification or court intervention if a minor seeks an abortion. That said she has not used her office to eliminate abortions or make them more difficult. With respect to her own beliefs she has been consistent.
I have a problem with folks who condemn homosexuals and then engage in the practice. Or those like Jimmy Swaggert, who condemn prostitution but pay to have some lady ride the baloney pony. Or those who condemn abortion but get one when it suits their purpose. You may disagree with Palin on abortion but she is a person of principle. She is not asking others to do what she herself is not willing to do. In terms of Washington’s standards that makes her an “extremist” and kooky. God forbid anyone in Washington would make a promise and actually live by it.
Global Warming–some of my friends insist Palin believes humans do not cause global warming. Well, here’s what the news reports:
During last fall’s political campaign, Gov. Sarah Palin said she remained unconvinced about how much human emissions contribute to current global warming trends. She endorsed the work being undertaken by a new Alaska Climate Impact Assessment Commission created by the Legislature last May, which she said would help provide Alaskans with answers.
But the Legislature steered away from addressing broader causes of global warming and potential solutions when it created the panel.
What’s wrong with her–”unconvinced about how much human emissions” contribute to current global warming trends. So that means she won’t do anything to reduce CO2 emissions. Right? Well, wrong. According to a Green Wire article dated April 12, 2007:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) announced plans this week to find out how the state can reduce its greenhouse gas emissions, through a new subcabinet of top administration officials who will develop policies to combat the effects of climate change that are more pronounced in Alaska than elsewhere in the country.
State Environmental Conservation Commissioner Larry Hartig said Palin exhibited more interest in the issue than she did during her campaign last year, when she said she found evidence of man-made global warming unconvincing. “From my first meeting with her on this topic, I could tell she was interested in it and in the new information that was coming out,” he said.
The subcabinet, which will include the heads of the state Fish and Game, Natural Resources and Commerce departments, will first address a petition that environmental groups filed March 29 seeking to force state industries to report their greenhouse gas emissions.
Palin’s committee may also have to deal with the mindset of last year’s state legislators, who created another climate change commission that is meeting today and Friday to consider warming’s effects on oil and natural gas development, agriculture, engineering and other arenas, in preparation for a report due in January. The commission is not examining causes or solutions, reflecting some legislators’ positions that warming is not human-caused.
I don’t know about you, but the picture that emerges of Sarah Palin based on her record is a pragmatic, principled conservative. She does not strike me as a blind ideologue. Seems to have a lot of commonsense and is not afraid to fight on principle even if it hurts her financially. That is the kind of change we need in Washington. Someone willing to buck the staus quo. As I have said before I do not agree with her on some of the issues. But I am mightily impressed that she exhibits intelligence and reason in taking the positions she does and it comes from her personal conviction about what she believes is right and wrong. I find that refreshing.
So, if you are trying to run a campaign predicated on changing the status quo in Washington, who symbolizes that kind of change–Joe Biden or Sarah Palin. An insider who has spent 36 years in Washington and become wealthy in the process or a mother of five who took on the Republican establishment in her own backyard. Yeah, that’s a hard question.
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Old 09-01-2008   #237 (permalink)
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This woman is scary...

She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

Palin is a Pentecostal....i.e. evangelical

Cant be more far right than that.
She (and daughter) also mistakenly think creampies are something you eat, not what gets you preggers! LOL =)

Meat is murder.
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Old 09-01-2008   #238 (permalink)
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She (and daughter) also mistakenly think creampies are something you eat, not what gets you preggers! LOL =)
You don't eat creampies???

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Old 09-01-2008   #239 (permalink)
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sorry radical...i have to disagree with you there...personally, i found this post about her rather enlightening, and it does buck those things that you said about her above to some degree...

it was written by Larry Johnson, Clinton supporter...

the article was entitled "Trying to Make Palin Batshit Crazy"


Some good friends on the Democratic side of the ledger have warned me to stand down on Palin because she is a rightwing whacko. I’ve asked for evidence and here is what they are providing. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will respect my friends on the left regardless, but I don’t think the following constitutes rightwing crazy. Creationism–My friends wrote me that Palin is a “creationist.” Normally that means someone who does not want evolution taught and insists that the world was created in six days (God rested on the 7th). Here’s what the nut Palin said:
In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:
“I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.
Damn. What’s wrong with her? She hasn’t used her position as Governor to force her religious views on other Alaskans. Yep, that’s a dangerous rightwinger if you ask me.
Abortion–At the final debate on November 2, 2006 in the Governor’s race in Alaska, the question of abortion came up according to the A.P.:
The candidates were pressed on their stances on abortion, and were even asked what they would do if their own daughters were raped and became pregnant.
Palin said she would support abortion only if the mother’s life was in danger. When it came to her daughter, she said: “I would choose life.”
I suspect Palin’s position is far more conservative than most of Hillary Clinton’s supporters. As Governor she has appointed a man to the judiciary who reportedly favors parental notification or court intervention if a minor seeks an abortion. That said she has not used her office to eliminate abortions or make them more difficult. With respect to her own beliefs she has been consistent.
I have a problem with folks who condemn homosexuals and then engage in the practice. Or those like Jimmy Swaggert, who condemn prostitution but pay to have some lady ride the baloney pony. Or those who condemn abortion but get one when it suits their purpose. You may disagree with Palin on abortion but she is a person of principle. She is not asking others to do what she herself is not willing to do. In terms of Washington’s standards that makes her an “extremist” and kooky. God forbid anyone in Washington would make a promise and actually live by it.
Global Warming–some of my friends insist Palin believes humans do not cause global warming. Well, here’s what the news reports:
During last fall’s political campaign, Gov. Sarah Palin said she remained unconvinced about how much human emissions contribute to current global warming trends. She endorsed the work being undertaken by a new Alaska Climate Impact Assessment Commission created by the Legislature last May, which she said would help provide Alaskans with answers.
But the Legislature steered away from addressing broader causes of global warming and potential solutions when it created the panel.
What’s wrong with her–”unconvinced about how much human emissions” contribute to current global warming trends. So that means she won’t do anything to reduce CO2 emissions. Right? Well, wrong. According to a Green Wire article dated April 12, 2007:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) announced plans this week to find out how the state can reduce its greenhouse gas emissions, through a new subcabinet of top administration officials who will develop policies to combat the effects of climate change that are more pronounced in Alaska than elsewhere in the country.
State Environmental Conservation Commissioner Larry Hartig said Palin exhibited more interest in the issue than she did during her campaign last year, when she said she found evidence of man-made global warming unconvincing. “From my first meeting with her on this topic, I could tell she was interested in it and in the new information that was coming out,” he said.
The subcabinet, which will include the heads of the state Fish and Game, Natural Resources and Commerce departments, will first address a petition that environmental groups filed March 29 seeking to force state industries to report their greenhouse gas emissions.
Palin’s committee may also have to deal with the mindset of last year’s state legislators, who created another climate change commission that is meeting today and Friday to consider warming’s effects on oil and natural gas development, agriculture, engineering and other arenas, in preparation for a report due in January. The commission is not examining causes or solutions, reflecting some legislators’ positions that warming is not human-caused.
I don’t know about you, but the picture that emerges of Sarah Palin based on her record is a pragmatic, principled conservative. She does not strike me as a blind ideologue. Seems to have a lot of commonsense and is not afraid to fight on principle even if it hurts her financially. That is the kind of change we need in Washington. Someone willing to buck the staus quo. As I have said before I do not agree with her on some of the issues. But I am mightily impressed that she exhibits intelligence and reason in taking the positions she does and it comes from her personal conviction about what she believes is right and wrong. I find that refreshing.
So, if you are trying to run a campaign predicated on changing the status quo in Washington, who symbolizes that kind of change–Joe Biden or Sarah Palin. An insider who has spent 36 years in Washington and become wealthy in the process or a mother of five who took on the Republican establishment in her own backyard. Yeah, that’s a hard question.
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Though I don't usually agree with the views you have posted, this time I think you are closer to reality than some other folks' presumptions about her.

For a republican fundamentalist, she has been a very decent governor.

(I will of course be voting for Obama)

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You don't eat creampies???
No, but I do make them from time to time ;-)

Meat is murder.
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